Season 3 – Episode 6 – Let Prairie Dogs Lie

Synopsis: When Yasir joins a local gentleman’s lodge to find new business contacts, he finds he is in over his head when he’s expected to join the lodge on a hunting trip.

In this episode, Joe introduces Yasir to his gentleman’s club and sells him on the idea of gathering business contacts; although, the members may have alterior motives.  Baber seems to have an issue with Yasir spending time with “those people” but Amaar thinks that he is jealous. Meanwhile, Rayyan and Sarah spend some quality “unstructured” time together and have their own little adventure. Yasir tries to play it cool when the club decides to go hunting, but it turns out to be a big mess in the end.

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Videos courtesy of mydien

What did you think of this episode? Are there any topics from the episode that you want to discuss?

  • Hunting for sport
  • Mother and Daughter time
  • A club with no gambling, no drinking
  • Mixing in with non-muslim clubs and explaining our guidelines
  • Islamic clubs
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73 responses to “Season 3 – Episode 6 – Let Prairie Dogs Lie

  1. Pratt

    So muslims can hunt, but not for sport, you actually have to eat the animal afterwards?

  2. americandesi

    Yes, we do. It is haram (forbidden) to just kill an animal for fun.

  3. Dorothy

    Yasir, my friend, I feel for you.

    It never ceases to amaze me how often personal ideals and beliefs have to be compromised for the sake of friends and social expectations. At times it seems never ending.

    I’m a vegetarian: I eat candy well meaning friends buy me knowing full well it has meat in it {gelatin}. I’ve even been known to compromise to fish if my host has nothing else to serve.

    I’m against child labor and worker exploitation: most of my clothes are made in third world countries by people who could never afford to wear my clothes.

    I hate fast food and find many of its production methods and ingredients immoral: when out with friends, we almost always end up eating fast food.

    I’m an atheist: I constantly encourage my friends in religious pursuits I don’t believe in, in the belief they know what’s best for them; and yet can expect no reciprocal support as an atheist -and I’m probably lucky they haven’t burned me at the stake yet 😉

  4. if hunting is haram. (killing animals)

    How did they lived back like 1500 years ago ? how did they get meat ?

  5. דניאל

    “Yes, we do. It is haram (forbidden) to just kill an animal FOR FUN.”
    -Our South Asian friend a few posts before you

    They can kill animals if they eat the meat. It’s the same with Jews. Of course, the animal in question would have to be حلال/כשר

    But in response to the question about 1500 years ago, are you aware farms were not invented in the modern era? People raised animals (in Islamic societies this would be goat, cow, chicken, lamb, etc.) for slaughter back then too!

    THE MORE YOU KNOW

  6. Steve

    How can Amaar go to the movies?

    I know in and of itself movies aren’t haram. But considering the movies that Hollywood produces these days, wouldn’t they be haram?

    Now I guess he could go see Horton hears a Who or some other G rated thing, but I don’t see that really interesting him.

    And regading “the Amazing Race”. At least in this episode it mentioned that there was a gay couple in that show. So, because of that wouldn’t watching that show be haram as well?

  7. Steve

    “It never ceases to amaze me how often personal ideals and beliefs have to be compromised for the sake of friends and social expectations. At times it seems never ending.”

    It’s because you have such rigid rules. Not saying you shouldn’t have them but when you have such rigid rules you can’t expect other people to always be accommodating.

    From their viewpoint it seems like they can’t do anything with you without you evoking one of your rules. You are a real drag on their fun.

    Again, I don’t mean because of that you should abandon your principles. That is the price you pay for such rigid rules.

    Perhaps you just need to hang out with like minded friends.

    Now for Muslims I really do sympathize with them. I might not follow all their rules but I respect how they keep to them. It must be very difficult to live in a society that goes against these rules. I know strong Christians have the same problem.

    I hope they would do an episode where Layla is required to have sex education in her health class. As a Muslim (just like it is for a strong Christan) the way it is taught in the schools in Canada is haram but if it is a requirement for graduation what is she to do?

  8. Steve

    Dorothy, after reading your post I realized that I kind of missed your point. The point was that YOU DO compromise your principles when you are out with your non-like minded friends.

    Well that is exactly the fear that Baber had about Yasir associating with “those people”. There’s a saying among my people “when you play with mud some of it is going to rub off.”

    Now it isn’t fair to call the members of the lodge “mud” (though I am sure that is how the Toronto writers feel about them). Yasir was right to defend them. But they are people with values and ways at variance with those of Muslims.

    So, what does this say about Muslims integrating with the rest of society. Is that even possible? Would it be wrong? And what would the effects be if Muslims just stay within their own Muslim social clicks?

    Now they could have taken the story in a different direction. After letting Yasir in he could have sponsored Baber, and then say they somehow did let Baber in the lodge then Amaar, and then other Muslims.

    And all the sudden the original members of the lodge feel like the outsiders. No longer go they play cards, hunt or drink beer – all the things that to them made the lodge fun. The Muslims don’t force them out but because the lodge has changed so much they don’t want to go there anymore. But now an important social outlet has been taken away from them. Is that fair to them?

    Point is, sometimes exclusion isn’t a bad thing but is necessary. Now I know the bad side of course which is mistrust. “What really goes on there” outsiders wonder. And of course their imaginations conjure up the worse.

    It’s hard to accommodate everyone in a society with people in it who have so many different and often conflicting beliefs.

    That is why I often wonder if Muslims are not better off just living in Muslim countries where most all the people share their values and ways.

  9. Steve

    Since the other story line was about Rayyan here is an interesting question.

    Would Rayyan be Rayyan if she wore the Burqua?

    Sure “bossiness” could often be a problem within social relationships, but for a Doctor, especially in life and death situation it is an asset.

    Would she seem “bossy” if she wore a Burqua? Would she have even gone to medical school if she wore a Burqa.

    I find that an interesting question. It also goes to the question of why don’t they have a major character in the show that wears the burqa. I think we all know the answer to that. It is hard to relate to a character who’s face you can’t see. It would take quite an actor to pull that off.

  10. Steve

    “No longer do they play cards, hunt or drink beer – all the things that to them made the lodge fun.”

    Sorry for the typo. But the question is very important given how often communities change with time and the original residents begin to feel like they are living in a foreign country.

  11. Steve

    Want to bet that before the show is over the Muslims own the church and then completely turn it into a Mosque.

    Any Christian who is left would have to drive three hours away each way to go to church.

    Well I guess some would say that turn about is fair play and that well they should have supported their faith and at least the last one is true, but still it does illustrate the valid concern people have when foreign immigrants come into a community.

    Now of course Baber has the opposite concern and I can see validity in that concern as well. He is concerned that the more Muslims interact with infidel society the more infidelish they will become and the less they will stay with Muslim values and the rules of Islam.

    So both concerns are indeed valid and this is where the conflict comes in.

    By the way, how do Muslims Pray five times a day in a Western society? I get once in the morning, and once at night and once when one comes home from school or work, but its the other two times I don’t see where they fit it in.

  12. Steve

    By the way the question of how far you compromise your principles or even if you should compromise your values when you are associating with people isn’t only a question for Muslims but for anyone who wants to be part of a group of people who aren’t like him.

    One of the best examples I can think of is swearing. Say you want to be part of a group but they swear all the time. Do you swear when you are with them to be “one of the boys (or girls) and then you just don’t swear anywhere else or do you stick to your principles and not swear risking the chance of the people of the group you want to be with will see you as an outsider and not one of them.

    How much do you need to change yourself when you are around certain people? And if you do portray yourself differently when you are with them then are you really being yourself?

  13. Steve

    Are there any topics from the episode that you want to discuss?

    * Hunting for sport

    I see no problem with that as it keeps ones shooting skills up. But I can understand the other position and as long as they understand that others don’t share that position and they don’t try to ban hunting then I can respect them keeping to it.

    Question though, hunting isn’t allowed if it is “just for fun” but often these days hunting has been used to “thin the herd”. If the herd is not thinned the animals eat up all the stuff they use for food and then die of starvation. So the government lets hunters kill a certain amount of the animal to a point where the eco-system can substain them.

    In that case, since there is another purpose/benefit for the hunting is it appropriate for a Muslim to be a hunter even though they have fun doing so?

    “A club with no gambling, no drinking”

    What do you do then? But seriously yeah for those who don’t gamble or drink that’s great. But shouldn’t there be a place for people who do like to gamble or drink? Such a place should not be outlawed nor should a bunch of people join the club with the purpose of changing those rules.

    # Mixing in with non-muslim clubs and explaining our guidelines

    Well it is kind of hard to mix in with a club where they are mainly doing things that are haram. Can’t really join in with them can you?

    Also if you “explain your rules” to them you could run a risk of sounding Preachy and worse condemning (well I guess you are kind of condemning them). They are there to have fun. Not to be preached at.

    Also, there is the problem that if you associate with a group and start becoming identified with them aren’t you kind of supporting what they do even if you aren’t joining in the activities. If you are “one of them” people are naturally going to assume that you are “one of them” in all the ways they are. Or at the very least that you approve of their behavior otherwise why would you be so close to where the activities are taking place.

    I guess the Christian example although I guess this would be more extreme, would be going to a strip club. Just because you want to get to know the other people who are there (why? to convert the pervs) and/or because you like the music and refreshments.

    # Islamic clubs

    Nothing wrong with a Islamic Bowling league or Islamic Chess club, or Islamic Camping club except it doesn’t allow you to interact with outsiders and that can lead to suspicion and mistrust.

  14. Steve

    By the way, isn’t there some rule that says you can break all the other rules if it serves Islam?

    For example a terrorist could indeed go to strip clubs or drink alcohol in order to “maintain cover” because he at least believes that what he is doing is serving Islam?

    And perhaps Yasir can go hunting IF it really did get him more contacts and more contacts mean more money which means more money he can give to the Mosque? And with more money to the Mosque it helps in the promotion of Islam.

    I though there was some “okay to break the other rules” rule if it serves Islam like when they are waring against Infidels or like on the other hand they need to hide in a society where Islam is being persecuted.

  15. Steve

    Oh, and I have a gambling question.

    Would it be okay for a Muslim to play cards if they are just playing for fun and don’t win anything?

    When I was a kid we had chips. Each person got the same number of chips and then we play. The person with the most chips at the end wins but it is not like they win anything. We put the chips back for the next time.

    If gambling is wrong would sports be wrong? I mean say there was a soccer tournament and each team has to pay a fee (mostly to pay the cost of the tournament like renting the fields and paying the refs.). But the winner does get 500 dollars for their team. Would that be haram? What if instead of money the team gets a trophy?

  16. Dora

    Steve, please expend your energy elsewhere. You’re wasting webspace.

  17. Mohamed

    Its ok to play any game so long as you don’t risk money or some other asset, In other words you should not have lost any money during that time or gained the way you play as kid seems fine to me.

    How do we find the time to pray 5 times a day? Well you find the time its quite simple for me so I’m lucky.

    And can I ask you a question why is it that you always think we are trying to impose our rules upon you?

  18. Mohamed

    In my opinion I think we would all enjoy life better if we learn how to let go of the illusion of control. Im not saying becoming a hippie or something but realizing that with in the billions if not trillions of things on this earth let alone the universe we can only control so much.

    For example a simple water glass. I maybe be able to control when to fill it up, or when to shatter it, or where to move it, or to clean it.

    But I cannot make it taller or shorter, nor change its diameter, I cannot reshape it with my hands, or put it back together after it has shattered, I cannot make turn into a rock or something it will always be glass. Etc.

    I know this seems out there but truthfully how much do we really control, and how much is out there that we can do nothing about?

  19. “And can I ask you a question why is it that you always think we are trying to impose our rules upon you?”

    Actually except for the Honor Killings, crashing planes into buildings and trying to impose Sharia law upon my society, and oh the Burqua kind of freaks me out, believe it or not I do have much respect for Muslims.

    I have strong respect for any group of people who have good principles that they stick to.

    As for trying to impose your rules upon us, actually a lot of that I see not coming from you but people who believe they are acting on your behalf.

    Here is a case of where your rules are being imposed upon us.

    http://www.americandaily.com/article/22022

    Oak Lawn, Illinois, school kids are going to have to do without Halloween, Christmas and Easter activities thanks to the sensitive bureaucrats who fear offending Muslims. The schools’ administrators claim they’ve received a number complaints that the activities are offensive, particularly to Muslim students.

    The decisions on which of the festivities will be terminated will fall to the principals at each of Ridgeland School District 122’s five schools, Supt. Tom Smyth told the Chicago Sun-Times.

    Observers say they expect that this latest announcement is going to increase the tension that has been building since school officials agreed at the start of the school year to adjust the students’ lunch menu to exclude items containing pork to accommodate the Muslim students.

    But again, that is probably our common enemy at work again, and not actual demands by Muslims. But I am not sure about that.

    I was very touched last year when a group of Muslims came out in support of Christmas. I believe that often times you are being used and it was good that in this case Muslims saw that and counteracted it.

    Such actions will go a long way in dispelling our concern about you trying to enforce your ways upon us.

  20. By the way Mohamed do you know the answer to the following?

    If gambling is wrong would sports be wrong? I mean say there was a soccer tournament and each team has to pay a fee (mostly to pay the cost of the tournament like renting the fields and paying the refs.). But the winner does get 500 dollars for their team. Would that be haram? What if instead of money the team gets a trophy?

  21. Steve

    This kind of goes back to the previous episode, which I felt was poorly written.

    Unlike what was portrayed in the show we would have no problem if you want to brush your teeth facing Mecca (I know that isn’t an actual rule and that was the point of the episode but even it it was an actual rule). But if you demanded that all sinks in schools, public buildings, etc. must face Mecca in order to accommodate this practice then we would have a problem.

    And we wouldn’t care about your rules about gooseberries (again, I know there’s no rules about gooseberries and that was the point of the episode but even if). However you want to eat gooseberries or even if you aren’t allowed to eat gooseberries, that’s your business. But if you force the local school district to stop serving gooseberries in their school menus or if you bombed a fruit stand because they sell gooseberries, that’s where we have the problem.

    But most likely if there was a law stating all public buildings must have sinks facing towards Mecca or that gooseberries can’t be served on the school lunch menus, it wouldn’t have been Muslims who would have been the ones demanding such accommodations but people who think they are working on your behalf. I thought the show in general was poorly written but I believe one good part of it was how the mayor made that sign thinking she was helping the Muslims but instead she was becoming part of the problem.

  22. Dora

    steve, get your facts straight

  23. Steve

    The article was in the Chicago Sun-Times.

  24. Ariana

    um why do u after every eposiode come here and disect the show? It’s a tv show! Comedy. Of course cause it’s Muslim show your doing that do u disect corner gas or any of amercian tv shows?

  25. Mohamed

    Steve as far as I know about the sports thing if you put down $20 in hopes for $500 then you are gambling, as for the trophy I cannot answer that I am no scholar.

    I suppose there are cases in which we do try to enforce our rules, but at the same time its not as if others don’t enforce their rules upon us, and if you go by the argument that we came to your country you must also take note that Europeans were not the first ones here as I’m sure you know, if anything Europeans more then forced thier beliefs and rules upon Native Americans, and so I ask you (please don’t remark this as a terrorist comment) why cant we impose our rules on you if European settlers imposed theirs on the Native Americans?

    Again I cant stress this enough that was not a Taliban remark I’m asking you hypothetically, and just in case you don’t know, not all of us bomb everything we don’t like. I don’t agree with the Taliban and how they enforce their laws or try to impose them on America, I don’t understand how they see suicide bombing as an act of “good in islam” because Suicide is not allowed in islam.

    Also Steve it seems to me that other then those exteremist groups most other muslims try other more “conventional” ways of “imposing rules”, after all isn’t this the land of equal oppertunity do we not have the right to fight for what we believe in?

  26. Mohamed

    Oh by the way we dont have to face mecca while brushing or making wudu.

    And you are correct if there were a law made to accomodate a need of ours OR any minority group it would most likely be others acting and working on our behalf. We would be what you may call a lobby a group?

  27. Steve

    I thought I made it clear that I knew the whole brushing the teeth thing wasn’t a rule. In fact the point of the show was that it wasn’t even through Fred thought it was.

    As for laws accommodating you I meant that the Liberals would make laws for you without you asking . But perhaps some Muslims would join in unfortunately. We shouldn’t have to give up on Halloween, Christmas, or Easter ceremonies in school just to accommodate you, nor should we have to change the school’s menu.

  28. “Actually except for the Honor Killings, crashing planes into buildings and trying to impose Sharia law upon my society, and oh the Burqua kind of freaks me out, believe it or not I do have much respect for Muslims.”

    Steve, these are things that freak out most ‘normal’ Muslims too!

    Praying five times a day is often misunderstood by non-Muslims. It’s really not all that difficult once you’re used to it. Relaxing, actually. It only takes about 5-10 minutes, depending on which prayer it is and your personal speed. It is a way to, for a few minutes during our busy day, remind ourselves about why we are here and Whom we should be busy for! Employers are often very accommodating once we explain this to them, and it is their duty (in many cases) to make sure we have a clean place to pray at work.

  29. Mohamed

    Oops sorry Steve my mistake about the brushing thing.

  30. “All this stuff and still no wedding dress.” (Rayyan as she walks up to their car with the shopping bags.)

    I wonder what happened. The woman said she sold wedding dresses.

    I feel like they skipped something. D:

  31. Corri

    Good Lord, Steve – Don’t you have a life?
    _________

    On to the subject of the show (rather than a very lonely person’s ramblings):

    Thank you for this site.
    I’ve missed Little Mosque since moving down from Northern NY
    It’s good to catch up 😀

  32. Steve

    musicalchef why is it their duty (in many cases) to make sure you have a clean place to pray at work?

    I am assuming you are talking about in a Western context as that is what I am talking about. You know, a county like Canada, the US, or the UK.

  33. Yaz

    “We shouldn’t have to give up on Halloween, Christmas, or Easter ceremonies in school just to accommodate you, nor should we have to change the school’s menu.”

    Um, last time I checked, Canada was a secular country, not a Christian society. Easter and Christmas are specifically CHRISTIAN holidays, and therefore, if there are going to be ceremonies in public schools for these explicitly RELIGIOUS holidays, then schools should also take time away from classes to hold Eid ceremonies, Hannukah, Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, and Passover ceremonies, Diwali ceremonies, and ceremonies for any and all other religions which might be practiced by students at the school. Obviously, holding parties and ceremonies for all religious holidays would be next to impossible, because it would take up far too much class time, but if you are going to celebrate one holiday, you have to equally celebrate others.

    I am a teacher and I have no problem with schools holding “Winter Concerts” that include Christmas, Kwanzaa, Eid, Diwali, and Hannukah, or focus more on the spirit of holidays and the winter season in general than on any specific religious occasion. However, all the whining over Christmas concerts being cancelled or changed because parents of other religions have complained is something I have never understood. If you specifically want your child to be able to celebrate religious holidays at school, send him/her to private religious school! In public schools, where the population is often multicultural and students of non-Christian beliefs often outnumber Christian students, celebrate all or celebrate none.

  34. Michelle

    steve, your arguments are full of logical fallacies and contradictions. Unlike you, I don’t have time to pick them out. This is a website for people who ENJOY this COMEDY show to discuss it, not for crazy bigots to disect and annoy everybody. I am sick and tired of “cyber bullies” on the internet who just go around trying to instigate trouble. I am speaking on the behalf of every fan of lmotp when I say, “Your actions are pathetic; please for your own sake, get a life.” If there is a moderator with half of a wit he/she would be smart to delete your comments, not for censorship purposes, but because they are a nuisance. Please get your own blog or website or whatever and blab all you want to people who care.

  35. Jo

    I don’t know why you all seem to be arguing with Steve. I always seem to scroll past his comments when I see his name and just read the others.

  36. Steve

    Can Muslims watch a television show that has two Gays in it? It was mentioned that the show Rayyan was watching with her Mom (some kind of show like Amazing Race) that there were two gay guys competing on it.

  37. Yaz

    The only rule in Islam concerning gayness is that Muslims cannot engage in homosexual activity themselves. There is no rule concerning interaction with non-Muslims who happen to be gay and definitely nothing that says a Muslim can’t watch a TV show that happens to have gay characters.

  38. Michelle

    thats true jo.

  39. AJ

    Nahida,

    Did you hear that Obama has appointed Sonal Shah to his transition team?

  40. Yeah, I didn’t know who she was until he did. I knew Emanuel. Obama’s putting together an interesting crowd. =)

  41. AJ

    Yeah, you Muslims sure messed-up by supporting him.

  42. Don’t see why. Though I can understand why YOU would think so. Takes one of a crowd to know another.

  43. AJ

    He appointed a radical Hindu who is connected with extremists in India responsible for killing Muslims.

  44. I know who she is, thank you. Do I LOOK like I feel threatened?

    Oh wait, that’s right, you can’t SEE me, you have NO IDEA WHO I AM, and yet you’re irrationally quick to incorrectly point out what I may regret. I suppose a vote for McCain who would have continued to carry on with Bush’s illegal war (through the violations of Articles VI, III, and the Fifth right and miscarried actions of Congress) would have been the better choice? Don’t tell me which choices I make in my life are fine and which are messed-up. I don’t regret whom I supported in this election, and I find YOU messed up for holding things against the winner before he’s even president. Bitter much that McCain lost?

  45. I know who she is, thank you. Do I LOOK like I feel threatened?

    Oh wait, that’s right, you can’t SEE me, you have NO IDEA WHO I AM, and yet you’re irrationally quick to incorrectly point out what I may regret. I suppose a vote for McCain who would have continued to carry on with Bush’s illegal war (through the violations of Articles VI, III, and the Fifth right and miscarried actions of Congress) would have been the better choice? Don’t tell me which choices I make in my life are fine and which are messed-up. I don’t regret whom I supported in this election, and I find YOU messed up for holding things against the winner before he’s even president. Bitter much that McCain lost?

  46. Michelle

    seriously guys… something has to be done about all of these haters. all this site is for is to be a forum about LMOTP and issues regarding that. the type of (stereotypical) arguments that are being presented to Muslims is disgusting here. I’m not even Muslim, but I enjoy this show for what it is and it’s positive messages about tolerance and understanding.

  47. Michelle

    AJ and Steve, you are embarrassing yourselves and even other Christians like me.

  48. דניאל

    Michelle, I agree with your assessment of Steve and AJ. Kind of ruining our fun here with their paranoid dissections of every element of the show.

    I also want to apologise for my expletive-y post(s) before this one. If the admin wants to delete them that’s cool. Or just, censor the first one for me and delete the second? I don’t know how this works.

    On a lighter note, I felt these last two episodes were better than the other season 3 episodes thusfar. I am in Asia, and this show has been entertaining me and reminding me of “home” ever since I started watching it last year in an other, poorer, more ex-soviety Asian country. Thanks Canada!

  49. Whoa I didn’t realize I posted twice.

    This is going to sound girly but I can’t wait to see Rayyan in her dress. ❤

  50. AJ

    Nahida,

    You do know that Rahm Emanuel’s dad is a terrorist don’t you?

  51. Michelle

    I CANT WAIT TO SEE HER DRESS EITHER. IM DYINGGGG TOO SEEEE IT!

    anyway, what happened to fatima and baber? i thought they were going to try having a relationship or whatever

  52. I know right? It was either a one-episode thing or they’re gonna skip around on their relationship.

  53. Susan

    I wish that they would focus more on the immigrant population of Mercy. I believe that the problem people have isn’t so much with Muslims but with Muslim immgrants.

    Only three characters in the show are immigrants. Yasir, Baber and Fatima.

    Now Yasir he seems pretty much Canadian to me. He has integrated well. If I didn’t know any better I wouldn’t peg him as an immigrant. Same with J.J. even though he actually IS a foreigner who is just in Canada temporarily.

    So that only really leaves Fatima and Baber. And indeed at times Baber can appear kind of scary.

    But how about the show’s “extras”. Like that blind Egyptian man, I found him scary. Can you imagine walking down the street and see him cursing in Egyptian. You might say, he is a blind guy what harm could he do? Well the guy who planned the first attack on the WTC he was blind too so he could be the mastermind of attacks.

    What makes Muslims so scary is that lots of them have connections overseas which could be used to help plan terrorist attacks. That’s not true about “home grown” Muslims. At least not in Canada though I guess in the UK “home grown” Muslims are becoming terrorists.

    If the show is supposed to be how we shouldn’t be afraid of Muslims why choose Muslims we wouldn’t be afraid of anyway? All the characters should be newly arrived immigrants. And they should all dress like Baber and they should have funny ascents that we can barely understand if the goal of the show is see Muslims aren’t really all that scary.

  54. Susan

    Also they hardly ever show them praying. You know in that bowing way while chanting.

    I have a question. Are chairs banned? I know if someone has a health reason they are allowed to sit in chairs, but why can’t everyone else?

  55. Susan

    If they had a show where most of the Muslims (the main characters not the “extras”) acts and dressed like Baber it would be more true to life but they would not be able to push the agenda they have for the show.

  56. Susan

    Can you imagine a satire of “I Love Lucy” where all the characters were fundamental Muslims.

    Now, Lucy you weren’t supposed to sit on the Men’s side of the Mosque. I am going to have to Honor Kill you now!

    Wahh!

  57. Susan

    Sleeper Cell was a more balanced protrayal of Islam in the West.

  58. *blushes with embarrassment*

    I’d like to make an announcement to let everyone know that that’s not my best friend Susie, the one who posted a few episodes earlier (I believe it was the Rules R Rules episode), but some narrow-minded woman suffering from extreme fascism with whom I have no association…

  59. The one who posted on Rules R Rules was my best friend–two completely different Susans.

  60. דניאל

    I’m gonna offer a suggestion that we ignore obvious islamophobe-trolls in the future, except for nitpicking tiny details. For example! Susan just there left a bit about having to “honour kill” someone. My immediate instinct is to yell at her for that and other obvious attempts at baiting us, but instead:

    “Dear Susan,

    The man was speaking Arabic, as do most people from Egypt. They speak the Egyptian dialect of Arabic, but they do not speak ‘Egyptian’.”

    So yeah, I wonder how much longer they’re gonna cliff-hanger us about this wedding, huh? I’m all like “COME ON! WHAT’S GONNA HAPPEN?!?!?!?”

  61. Susan

    “The man was speaking Arabic, as do most people from Egypt. They speak the Egyptian dialect of Arabic, but they do not speak ‘Egyptian’.”

    Whatever. Point is that he is a very scary figure.

    It’s not the Muslims we have a problem with. It’s the Muslim IMMIGRANTS we mostly have a problem with.

    It is they who pervert Islam. It is they who promote terrorism, honor killings, and all that stuff.

    Here is a recent story about a 13 year old girl who was judged by a Shariah court and executed because she was raped.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80733

    In the interest of fairness though, here is a story about Africans who pervert Christianity.

    http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/saving+africas+witch+children/2780062

    And now as these people immigrate to the UK the problem is spreading to there. According to the Metropolitan Police there have been almost 60 cases of child abuse related to witchcraft or possession reported to Scotland Yard in the past two years alone.

    See, so the problem isn’t with Islam or Christianity but with immigrants who come from these insane barbaric countries but still maintain the same insane attitudes. It’s the fault of a liberal immigration policy in the West that now Islam is looked upon negatively.

  62. Susan

    “The man was speaking Arabic, as do most people from Egypt. They speak the Egyptian dialect of Arabic, but they do not speak ‘Egyptian’.”

    Whatever. Point is that he is a very scary figure.

    It’s not the Muslims we have a problem with. It’s the Muslim IMMIGRANTS we mostly have a problem with.

    It is they who pervert Islam. It is they who promote terrorism, honor killings, and all that stuff.

    Here is a recent story about a 13 year old girl who was judged by a Shariah court and executed because she was raped.

    worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80733

    In the interest of fairness though, here is a story about Africans who pervert Christianity.

    channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/saving+africas+witch+children/2780062

    And now as these people immigrate to the UK the problem is spreading to there. According to the Metropolitan Police there have been almost 60 cases of child abuse related to witchcraft or possession reported to Scotland Yard in the past two years alone.

    See, so the problem isn’t with Islam or Christianity but with immigrants who come from these insane barbaric countries but still maintain the same insane attitudes. It’s the fault of a liberal immigration policy in the West that now Islam is looked upon negatively.

  63. Susan

    I meant that it is the fault of liberal immigration policies that Muslims in the west are looked upon with fear.

    The reason Islam is looked upon negatively is because how it is practiced in these insane barbaric countries.

  64. “It’s not the Muslims we have a problem with.”

    In order, I’ve heard Steve, Max, Matt, Kevin, Alex, and Susan use WE in these kinds of sentences. I’d like to know who WE is.

  65. When Steve first used WE I thought he was talking about Westerners because he didn’t know I’d lived in CA my entire life and believed I’d have some sort of biased one-sided perspective (oh the irony), and I snapped that he didn’t need to lecture me about Western perspective because not only do I SEE it I LIVE it. But it then became obvious that WE–whoever WE is–has a problem with Muslims, and being one myself I don’t of course.

    So I wonder who WE is, since I can’t not be WE and be WE at the same time.

    Is WE shallow-minded paranoids who believe they can group all the venom in the world under the title of “liberal” and declare something as important as correctly identifying a language as the address of culture understanding worthy of a careless “whatever”?

    If that’s the case, I really don’t care if the fears of WE are addressed. It’s not my responsibility, and not the responsibility of the show, to act as a psychiatrist.

  66. “Like that blind Egyptian man, I found him scary. Can you imagine walking down the street and see him cursing in Egyptian.”

    I especially don’t see how someone can “whatever” something that was clearly part of the pathetic source of the fear. He was speaking a foreign language. OH MY GOD HEART ATTACK!

    I understand that the idea of someone cursing itself can be frightening but I don’t see why you would “whatever” something that you otherwise went out of your way to emphasize–not that he was cursing, oh no, but that he was an IMMIGRANT.

  67. Susan

    He is some strangely dressed immigrant cursing in some foreign language (which I guess is Arabic but its a language that most people don’t understand so the point wasn’t what the name of the language was although if it sounds Arabic of course it is more scary than say Italian).

  68. Susan

    Although thinking about it Italian is pretty scary too.

  69. Susan

    He looked like an immigrant (because he was) and he was cursing in a foreign language. The point wasn’t whether the language was called Egyptian or Arabic. The point just was that would be a scary scene indeed that would turn people off Muslims.

  70. sarai

    If I were to see an old blind man yelling in the street, in any language, it would never even occur to me to fear his *religion.*

    I like LMOTP.

  71. Susan W.

    Just for future reference, I’m “Susan” from the Rules R Rules episode, and I’m going to start calling myself Susan W. from now on…

    What makes Muslims so scary is that lots of them have connections overseas which could be used to help plan terrorist attacks. That’s not true about “home grown” Muslims.

    … You are aware that at some point, everyone was an immigrant right…? So your whole concept of “home grown” … just makes no sense.

  72. Susan

    Sorry, but at no point was I ever an immigrant. Yeah, I know you don’t mean me personally but someone in my ancestry but I am talking about individuals who are currently immigrants.

    Home grown makes perfect sense. In the sense I was using it in it means someone who grew up in Canada (Rayyan, Amaar Layla, of course Sarah). Yasir hasn’t grown up in America but he has spent a good deal of his life in Canada and has adapted well. The only main character that one might say acts like he “just got off the boat” is Baber. But even with him he doesn’t talk about going back to his homeland or having someone from his homeland visit him. I guess Yasir is the one that has happened to even though he seems to have adapted well.

    But if they were going to make a show about “scary” (but if you get to know them they aren’t) Muslims, they should all be immigrants who constantly associate (through the internet, phone calls, visits homes) with people outside of the country. Those are the types of Muslims that are scary. Immigrants, not native born.

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