Season 2 – Episode 18 – Security Alert

Synopsis:  J.J. and Rayyan look for a chaperone for their budding relationship.

Rayyan and J.J. have decided to start dating. Now, in accordance with Muslim tradition all they need is a chaperone. And: Amaar is finding it difficult to sleep at home following a break-in, so Yasir offers his couch

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161 responses to “Season 2 – Episode 18 – Security Alert

  1. Matt

    Sarah mentioned that their maid used to be a man but now is a woman.

    It is well known that within the last 40 years Western society has become more and more sexually perverse. And now there’s a movement to allow those with “gender identity” issues, to choose which locker room, restroom, etc. they can use.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56811

    So, how difficult is it for Muslims (and morally strong Christians) to interact in a society that is getting more and more difficult to ignore the sickos? Folsom Street Fair might represent an extreme but what we have learned in the past that things that at one point seem extreme often become over time “mainstreamed”.

    How will Muslims be able to use public restrooms if the “gender confused” might just pop in there?

  2. Kay

    Oh God Matt, you’ve dragged your baggage over here from the last episode comments. Please give it a rest – poor Nahida, she must be exhausted responding to you. My favourite motto – Never argue with an idiot – they drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. Please don’t bother responding.
    Now, on to the show. I enjoyed it very much – I found Babar’s chaperone activities hilarious and also found his sulking when he was ‘replaced’ very endearing. Poor Amaar. I thought the discomfort between the characters being chaperoned to be very true to life – they are ‘mature’ and not teenagers so it was interesting to see how one might react, especially since both of them appear to have grown up ‘western’.

  3. Nahida

    I LOVE how Baber was acting like he was being dumped. LOL.

    And I think it’s cool that J. J. liked the color purple.

    Amaar slept easier knowing Rayyan would always be his friend. I thought that was sweet. =)

  4. Nahida

    How will Muslims be able to use public restrooms if the “gender confused” might just pop in there?

    Matt, very easily: we do our business, they do theirs.

    Now I’m going to follow Kay’s moto and Samina’s advice and never speak to you again.

    Have a nice life.

  5. Nahida

    J. J.: “Nice place, good people, probably a nice place to raise kids. . . ”

    Amaar: “Kids?”

    ahahaha

  6. Samina

    Well done Nahida I’m impressed.

    I absolutely love Baber, I think he deserves his own show. I love the part where he says .”…..none of this sinful night dating……” and ” have you found someone else? someone younger? Like he had been dumped.

    I feel so so bad for Amaar, first he gets the bad news about Rayyan and then gets burgled. It’s awkward to watch now, I felt a lump in my throat when she told him they would always be friends. When will they realise they will never be just friends. I don’t see the chemistry between Rayyan and J.J. the way it is with Rayyan and Amaar.

    I also knew it would only be a matter of time before Amaar saw Rayyan without her hijaab. I can see them as a married couple, how cool would that be.

  7. Samina

    Also, as much as I like Yasir I think his reasons for getting Rayyan and J.J. together are selfish especially since he knows that Rayyan and Amaar have a soft spot for each other. I don’t disagree that J.J. could also make a good husband but thats not the reason for Yasir’s decision.

  8. Matt

    “Matt, very easily: we do our business, they do theirs.”

    Well you won’t be able to use the public restrooms that’s for sure. Neither would any true Christian.

  9. JustMe

    While a part of me feels bad for Amaar, what’s stopping him from taking action. If you want a girl, go get her. Otherwise, no one is going take the guy’s advances seriously. There is nothing in the episodes that seem to indicate that he has anything holding him back.

  10. Kay

    I think that the last episode of the season (just two episodes left!) will be so interesting – it’s crunch time for Rayyan and Amaar. I just know it’s going to be a cliffhanger for us romantics! I’m curious, does Amaar’s position as Imam make it far more awkward for him to approach dating Rayyan?

  11. Nahida

    JustMe, I agree with you completely. Especially since it’s TOTALLY OBVIOUS that Rayyan kind of feels the same way.

    However, I’d still be nervous out of my wits. xD

  12. Nahida

    I stared at Yasir in disbelief when he told Amaar he needed to move on.

  13. sakurapassion

    Since it’s obvious Amaar has feelings for Rayyan. And it is obvious that Rayyan feels the same way, which is why I don’t understand this interest in J.J. :S

    Can’t wait to see what happens next.

  14. Alex

    Wouldn’t it be almost impossible for a Muslim man to be friends with a married Muslim woman?

    It’s hard enough in our society for a man to be friends with some one else’s wife. Unfortunately even if they are “just friends”, there’s always the suspicion.

    I would think it would be even worse for Muslims.

  15. Alex

    If you want a girl, go get her.

    That’s not the Muslim way. It’s much more difficult than to just “go get her.”

    Especially since he is her Iman.

  16. Alex

    Why doesn’t Sarah fire their maid?

    Isn’t it haraam for Muslims to associate with such people?

  17. Alex

    Of course I have seen women’s hair before. Even women with long hair.

    But when I see Rayyan’s hair it seems practically obscene. I remember in the New Year’s episode when Rayyan was still in school I guess not yet decided to wear hijaab it seem so indecent her running about with her long hair flowing.

    I guess it shows that you can get used to most standards. As a Westerner I don’t feel this about anyone else, but when I see Rayyan she must have hijaab or else it seems like she is naked.

    Strange isn’t it?

  18. Nahida

    I’ll answer these questions since they aren’t completely irrelevent and obscene.

    Wouldn’t it be almost impossible for a Muslim man to be friends with a married Muslim woman?

    Alex, no, it isn’t impossible HOWEVER according to what I’ve been taught–someone correct me if I’m wrong–J.J. or her father or SOMEONE would always have to be with them. She can’t see Amaar without their prescence.

    Isn’t it haraam for Muslims to associate with such people?

    No, it’s haraam for them to BE such people. Not to associate with them. As far as I know, Islam does not accuse by association. You can’t NOT give a job even if they are qualified for it to someone who is homosexual on the sole reason that they are homosexual either. Or NOT give them an apartment just because they are even if they keep it clean and pay rent: that’s oppression and it’s against Islam. This is because sexuality is something that’s kept at HOME–whether you are hetero or homo. It’s who someone is in his or her personal life.

  19. Nahida

    Alex I know this sounds nitpicky but I request that you stop capitalizing the word imam si’l vous plait. It’s a little crazy but it seems wrong to me, unless you want to use it as an actual title–‘the Imam’ or ‘Imam Amaar.’ We don’t capitalize priest or rabbi unless it’s used like that or even ‘king’ or ‘queen.’

    I’m sorry, I’m just saying. . .

  20. Farah

    “does Amaar’s position as Imam make it far more awkward for him to approach dating Rayyan?”

    No, he can marry her if he wants. Imams aren’t like priests, they have the right to marry and have children.

  21. Nahida

    “I’m okay! You won’t even know I’m here tonight!” =)
    -grabs bag of noisy chips-

    “What’re you doing here?!”
    “I wanted a glass of water! What are you doing here?!”
    “I was hungrrryyyyyy!”
    “…Anything good in there. . . ?”

    Classic.
    I love how awkward it is the next morning. xD

    “I think I’m just gonna hang around hair.”
    -awkward silence-
    “I mean hair.”
    -awkward silence-
    “I mean here. What’re you gonna do?”
    Rayyan, to avoid using the word ‘here.’ “House! I’m just gonna. . . hang around the house.”

    “I’m fine! It’s just that you think everything’s alright and then someone just comes in in the middle of the night and takes something very important to you–”
    “What’d they take?”
    “Huh?”
    “The burglers. What’d they take?”
    “They didn’t take anything.”
    “Then what are you talking about?”

    That was sweet. Rayyan and Amaar have the chemistry that Rayyan and J. J. don’t. =/

  22. Alex

    Sorry about iman.

    The problem with saying sexuality is something that’s kept at HOME is that when one has a sex change operation as this maid did that isn’t something it can just keep at home.

    Farah, the question I believe isn’t whether a iman can marry. The question is can an iman marry someone from his own mosque or is there some conflict there?

  23. Matt

    This is because sexuality is something that’s kept at HOME–whether you are hetero or homo. It’s who someone is in his or her personal life.

    Kept at home? These perverts are in the streets flaunting their lifestyle. Even now there are laws in California and places in Maryland saying that if one is “gender confused” it can use either the men or woman’s bathrooms,locker room extra.

    I would have little problem if they did keep it “at home” but when they get special rights or they go out in the streets parading their lifestyle, that is not keeping it at home. Government really can do little when they do keep it at home as the laws that would be necessary to do that would infringe upon freedom, but certainly they don’t have to have insane laws allowing them to use both bathrooms, etc.

    And yeah, while you can say “Folsom Street Fair” yeah that’s San Francisco for you, and yeah right now it is only in San Francisco one of the most perverted places on this planet. But other major cities are starting their own versions.

    Since 1997, a smaller event called Folsom Street East has been organized in New York City.

    The Toronto version of Folsom Street Fair is dubbed Folsom North, FFN or FFNTO and has been held every July since 2003.

    So the point is that this isn’t about their “personal life” anymore. They are spreading their perversion out into the public sphere. And if the past is any indication where it might now be limited to a few major cities, such things tend to grow and someday will come to perhaps even a town as small as Mercy.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/01/miller-lite-approved-toddlers-at-the-folsom-street-fair/

  24. Matt

    This is because sexuality is something that’s kept at HOME–whether you are hetero or homo. It’s who someone is in his or her personal life.

    Kept at home? These perverts are in the streets flaunting their lifestyle. Even now there are laws in California and places in Maryland saying that if one is “gender confused” it can use either the men or woman’s bathrooms,locker room extra.

    I would have little problem if they did keep it “at home” but when they get special rights or they go out in the streets parading their lifestyle, that is not keeping it at home. Government really can do little when they do keep it at home as the laws that would be necessary to do that would infringe upon freedom, but certainly they don’t have to have insane laws allowing them to use both bathrooms, etc.

    And yeah, while you can say “Folsom Street Fair” yeah that’s San Francisco for you, and yeah right now it is only in San Francisco one of the most perverted places on this planet. But other major cities are starting their own versions.

    Since 1997, a smaller event called Folsom Street East has been organized in New York City.

    The Toronto version of Folsom Street Fair is dubbed Folsom North, FFN or FFNTO and has been held every July since 2003.

    So the point is that this isn’t about their “personal life” anymore. They are spreading their perversion out into the public sphere. And if the past is any indication where it might now be limited to a few major cities, such things tend to grow and someday will come to perhaps even a town as small as Mercy.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/01/miller-lite-approved-toddlers-at-the-folsom-street-fair/

  25. Matt

    You can’t NOT give a job even if they are qualified for it to someone who is homosexual on the sole reason that they are homosexual either. Or NOT give them an apartment just because they are even if they keep it clean and pay rent: that’s oppression and it’s against Islam.

    It’s not oppression although it is against current law in most Western countries. But certainly one should have the right to make moral decisions when it comes to the businesses one owns or the property one owns. After all we are talking about behavior here, not some fact of birth like being born a certain ethnicity.

    The fact is that when one helps the Democratic Party one helps the forces who are denigrating Western Society. And for western Muslims that has an effect upon your children. Now I guess if you are planning to move out of Western society soon and back to a Islamic country that doesn’t matter, but even for the most insular muslim communities in the West the general denigration of society will have an effect. After all don’t Muslims send their children to government owned schools? Perhaps they can develop special schools for Muslims as I hear they are doing in New York. But still, you don’t understand the Left if you think they are just going to leave you alone about this subject. They will use the government schools to convert you into their way of thinking.

    And what about your job. I guess you can own a shop in an insular Muslim community and then for the most part you can avoid the general denigration of society, but your choices will be limited.

    So, while of course the Republican party isn’t much better which has been shown by them nominating a Leftist for their Presidential candidate, the Democrats are out of control. One of their leaders is actually a Representative of San Francisco. She says she has no problem with all that went on at the Folsom Street Fair. Again, she isn’t a minor figure in the Democratic Party. She is one of its leaders.

  26. sakurapassion

    “That was sweet. Rayyan and Amaar have the chemistry that Rayyan and J. J. don’t. =/”

    Yes, I know. Which is why I don’t understand why Rayyan would be interested in J.J. I know they’re childhood friends and all, but still….

    So I want to know what’s going on with Rayyan going with someone who she’s not interested in.

  27. Nahida

    I know! It really just seems like she’s going with J.J. because her father suggested it. =/

  28. Nahida

    The question is can an iman marry someone from his own mosque or is there some conflict there?

    Of course he can. =)

  29. Nahida

    I think what Amaar is finding as a conflict right now is whether or not it’s okay to pull a woman away from a man she may have plans to marry. “Don’t marry HIM, marry ME!” may not seem all that ethical–it might make her feel pressured or whatever. And he’s not SURE she has feelings for him so… possible embarrassment right there.

    It seems to me that he either just wants her to be happy or doesn’t want to start something so. . . dramatic. Mayeb he feels that he doesn’t stand a chance against J.J.?

  30. Elizabeth

    I loved this episode, and I hope Rayyan and Amaar get together eventually… but I think for Rayyan, she’s definitely interested in J.J., especially if she feels like Amaar isn’t ever going to come around. She and Amaar haven’t really had the courage to admit to themselves yet, though, that they have feelings for each other, and I’m totally anticipating that Amaar will vanquish his nerves and ask her out 😉 Before it’s too late, of course. This whole J.J. thing might be just the kick in the pants Amaar needs!

    Also — I’m wondering about how it would work for Rayyan and Amaar. The clergy of most Christian denominations, by the way, _are_ allowed to get married — it’s just Roman Catholic priests and some Orthodox who are not allowed. However, once they’re in a church, clergy are generally not supposed to date anyone from their own congregation because of potential problems with the difference in power and the possibility of abuse of power by the pastor. This policy admittedly makes things difficult for pastors in rural areas to ever find anyone (and might be part of the reason the Reverend on the show seems to be without a wife!). How is this issue of the power balanced addressed for single imams who wish to date?

  31. Samina

    I think the reason Rayyan is considering J.J. over Amaar is that Amaar has never said anything. She just thinks there is no point hanging around for him and plus she thinks there must be something if her father has suggested him.

    I also thought the part where Amaar says “I’m fine! It’s just that you think everything’s alright and then someone just comes in in the middle of the night and takes something very important to you–”

    He is beginning to realise his feelings but is too much of a gentleman to put his feeling before someone elses happiness. Plus I kind of think he has a feeling it won’t last.

    I didn’t miss one thing in this episode. Last season my favourite episode was when Rayyan date the fireman and Amaar gets jealous. There needs to be more jealousy and may be next episode.

    It’s too sad to watch now. 😦

  32. Vicky

    it was such a great episode, my favorite part was when he saw her without her hijaab! I also love it when Amaar has a little chat with the reverend.
    only 2 episode left, its so sad. Are they gonna have a season 3?

  33. Lesia

    Life is unfair, I’m sick with the flu for a week and Matt is the one throwing up all over this board.

    On to the show! I loved it, I really did but I’m just not warming up to JJ. He seems like a nice enough guy but… help me here there is something missing and I can’t put my finger on it.

    Barbar killed me in this episode. Him building a model of a monster truck, who’d have thought.

    OK, its time for an episode where Rayyan realizes she has feelings for Amaar already.

  34. Nahida

    Awww Lesia glad to see you’re better. =) Don’t worry about him; I wonder if he knows no one’s reading his articles any more…

    I don’t think J.J.’s missing anything on his own, but when you put him next to Rayyan it seems like he’s missing (and this is going to sound a little harsh and it may be because his character hasn’t had time to “develop” for us yet) it seems like he’s missing a backbone. Rayyan is a bit on the satiristic side and it makes me wonder if J.J. can keep up with her.

    I really like Rayyan’s outfit in the beginning of part two–the yellow hijab and the red blouse. That looked nice.

  35. MC Fro

    I think what makes the romance between Rayyan and Amaar is the fact that even though — until very recently — they were inseparable, they couldn’t agree on anything. This is classic romantic drama and is used and abused by authors and playwrights for ages.

    I will agree that it has been obvious that Amaar has been attracted to Rayyan since early in the first season, but Rayyan’s attraction to Amaar is ambiguous at best.

    I don’t think Rayyan’s decision to date J.J. has anything to do with Amaar’s gingerly approach to courting her. I am more compelled to believe that Rayyan has yet to consider Amaar as more than “just a friend”. Furthermore, Rayyan’s decision to allow her parents to choose a potential husband for her comes as a surprise, knowing her feminist ideals.

    It’s good to see the writers inserting a story arc that encompasses several episodes. The remaining episodes of this season will prove to be very entertaining, indeed.

  36. Lesia

    Thank you Nahida.

    I’m starting to wonder if they will ever develop JJ. By leaving him 2 dimensional we won’t get attached to him and he can just slip into the background.

    I really liked the pink they had her in, it went so well with her skin tone. I have yet to see them put her in anything I didn’t like though.

  37. Sarah

    I think the title of the episode and the “B” story of Yasir’s safe/Amaar getting robbed are a metaphor for what Amaar feels. J.J. ‘broke in’ and took something Aamer felt very comfortable with: his “friendship” with Rayyan. I really don’t think Amaar or Rayyan truly admitted it to themselves that they are interested in each other. Towards the end of the episode, Amaar was back to normal, having realized that he won’t loose Rayyan as a friend.

    Flashback: Amaar and Rayyan had a traditional upbringing that created a foundation for their current devout worldview. They probably haven’t Muslim-dated before. Amaar was engaged but it was arranged by his mom and he didn’t seem gunghoe about it. Rayyan was too busy with her career and school to focus on getting married. They don’t seem to know how this stuff works. Nerves, fear of embarrassment, and fear of losing a great friendship are just some of the reasons stopping the two of them from admitting the feelings.

    These two don’t even know what is in front of him. Like someone said earlier on this blog, J.J. is what Amaar needs to realize what he feels for Rayyan. I am excited to see when he finally does.

  38. Nahida

    Actually, Rayyan has seen other men before Amaar.

    It’s in the next episode.

  39. Nahida

    Before J. J. I mean.

  40. Samina

    I think the are not letting us warm up to J.J. so much so that we don’t miss him when he’s gone. Also the writer don’t want us to start liking J.J. over Amaar. It’s a difficult one but the idea is to see J.J. as a good candidate but not better than Amaar.

    What I also liked is that they managed to keep a good balance between the drama and comedy aspects of the show. They didn’t want to dive into full on drama and Baber is always a good character to use to bring out the comedy element.

    I think I am really going to miss it when its gone. I hope they bring season 3 to us soon.

  41. Lesia

    I don’t even want to think about it being gone!

    I’m just going to sit here and pretend that the Canadian writers went on strike and this show will be right back once its settled.

  42. Alex

    Does anyone know if it is appropriate for an iman to court someone of his own Mosque?

    I used the old fashioned word “court” instead of date as a reminder that only 100 years ago or perhaps a little more now Western Society handled man and woman relationships in a way similar to how Muslims do now. That is there was a chaperone, etc.

    Here is an explanation of how it used to be.

    http://www.phantomroses.com/RPGs/GWTW/etiquette.htm

    Now we don’t court (most of us in Western Society don’t) . Instead we date. I think something very profound has been lost by dating instead of courting.

  43. Alex

    Here’s another web page that tells how things were back then.

    http://www.victoriaspast.com/Courtshipdance/courtshipdance.html

    Was that really so bad compared to the “Folsom Street Fair” environment that sexuality is on display with in society today?

  44. Alex

    Even in the 1950s here is what society promoted regarding dating.

    http://www.archive.org/details/DatingDo1949

    http://www.archive.org/details/JuniorPr1946

    I am not saying that things were perfect back then. Racism was really bad back then.

    But things were much better back then when you look at everything in total.

  45. Alex

    Even in the 1950s here is what society promoted regarding dating.

    http://www.archive.org/details/DatingDo1949

    I am not saying that things were perfect back then. Racism was really bad back then.

    But things were much better back then when you look at everything in total.

  46. Alex

    Even in the 1950s here is what society promoted regarding dating.

    http://www.archive.org/details/JuniorPr1946

    I am not saying that things were perfect back then. Racism was really bad back then.

    But things were much better back then when you look at everything in total.

  47. Alex

    http://www.stevevaus.com/lyrics/blackandwhite_vm.html

    Black and White
    You could hardly see for all the snow,
    Spread the rabbit ears as far as they go
    Pull a chair up to the TV set,
    “Good night David, Good night Chet”
    Dependin’ on the channel you tuned
    You got Rob and Laura or Ward and June
    It felt so good, felt so right
    Life looked better in black and white

    I Love Lucy, The Real McCoys
    Dennis the Menace, the Cleaver boys
    Rawhide, Gunsmoke, Wagon Train
    Superman, Lois Lane
    Father Knows Best, Patty Duke
    Rin Tin Tin and Lassie too
    Donna Reed on Thursday night
    Life looked better in black and white

    CHORUS: I wanna go back to black and white
    Everything always turned out right
    Simple people, simple lives
    Good guys always won the fights
    Now nothin’s the way it seems
    In living color or on the screen
    I wanna go back to black and white

    In God they trusted, in bed they slept
    A promise made was a promise kept
    They never cussed or broke their vows
    They’d never make the network now
    But if I could I’d rather be, in a TV town in 63
    It felt so good, felt so right
    Life looked better in black and white

    CHORUS

    I’d trade all the channels on the satellite, If I could just turn back the clock tonight
    To when everybody knew wrong from right, life was better in black and white

    In many ways perhaps that is the appeal of this show. Muslims represented what we used to have. I doubt if Amaar and Rayyan let their passions get away from them and had sex the show would survive. It would be unthinkable for them to do so, and that would be something the writers would never even consider doing.

    That is what we miss. We do miss the days when they couldn’t even use the words “pregnant” to describe Lucy’s condition before she had Little Ricky. We like the innocence of that time. And that is why we like this show so much.

    (See I don’t hate Muslims. I have some concerns yes, but I can also see the positive that they can bring back into our society).

  48. Alex

    I doubt that if Amaar and Rayyan let their passions get away from them and had sex the show would survive.

    And of course that would never even come close to happening. That is what makes the show so special. Yeah, it is in color, but what is so nice about the show is it is also in “Black and White”.

  49. Elizabeth

    Black and white? But it’s the grey that makes things interesting.

    I do agree, though — I think the show would be ruined if Amaar and Rayyan lost themselves before they got married. It would be totally out of character for both of them, and they’re both doing their best to “be good”.

    Also… remember that Rayyan was already attracted to J.J. (or thought he was interesting or whatever). She never would have agreed to let her father set them up if she didn’t — and that way, her dad gets to feel like a good Muslim father 😉 And she still gets to keep her feminist identity, which is important for her authenticity.

    Also, I think it’s interesting… if you’ve ever read any Jane Austen or Leo Tolstoy, you know that the marriages people got themselves into in the Victorian era were often based on false pretenses, because people put on too much of a show rather than allowing their future partners to truly see the people they were. A good match was based on finances and social status rather than the things that really make people work as good partners. Don’t look too much to the past, Alex… I for one am really glad my parents aren’t trying to set me up with anyone! I think I’d end up with a charmer rather than someone genuine. Rayyan and J.J. at least are getting to know one another rather than rushing things, just as Rayyan said. Even if they don’t end up together, they will know each other better after their experience.

  50. Matt

    Here is a good article about the whole 1950s vs modern discussion.

    http://www.vivamalta.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-4617.html

    I hate the source of this article but I have read and studied Adorno as well and it is 99.5 percent correct on its analysis of the movie. I would disagree as to any racial element and I wouldn’t “blame the jews” although it is true that there were a bunch of academic Jewish sociologists who did have enormous influence over the culture wars. But blaming a group of Jewish thinkers is hardly “blaming the jews” . I am blaming the Frankfurt School, not the Jewish people as a race.

  51. Nahida

    Does anyone know if it is appropriate for an iman to court someone of his own Mosque?

    Alex, as far as I know it’s fine. Mosques don’t have “members.” I mean, there are mosques where the same people go every time, but it isn’t a commitment. A person can go to three different mosques if he or she wants. There’s no reason for it to be inappropriate because–now I’m addressing Elizabeth’s concern–we don’t really have “clergies.” We have a board of people elected to take care of the mosque’s financial issues and such, but as far as I know there’s really no possible way for there to be abuse of power.

  52. Nahida

    You know what I miss?

    Love letters. On paper. By hand.

    Does anyone write them anymore?

  53. Alex

    But things were so much better back then.

    The biggest criticism of the 1950s is the racism. And yeah, that needed to change.

    But you can let Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, etc into Mayberry without forcing Mayberry to have a “Folsom Street Parade”. It might have been true that racial tolerance and tolerance of deviant sexual behavior in the public square happened about the same time in Western society, but the two aren’t necessarily connected.

    And I guess another criticism was regarding the role of women. Well, sure that need to evolve as well. But surely not where we are at today. For example should a woman be allowed to be a policeman or fireman? I guess if the standards aren’t lowered to keep them out but the truth of just the way things are is that men are on average stronger than women. There are many men who shouldn’t be policemen or firemen either. And also there is the whole esprit de corp to worry about.

    It took a generation a whole lifetime to begin to understand what should be obvious. Men and women are different. I am not saying one is superior to the other, but they are different. Not only in how they are built but in general (and that’s an important qualification “in general”) men and women think differently. It took a book called “Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus” to get many to understand something that should have been evident from simple observation.

    I wouldn’t want to completely return to the 1950s but I think it would be much better if we start to move back that way.

  54. Matt

    http://rainbowsendpress.com/midi/Amerpie.mid

    A long, long time ago…
    I can still remember
    How that music used to make me smile.
    And I knew if I had my chance
    That I could make those people dance
    And, maybe, they’d be happy for a while.

    But february made me shiver
    With every paper I’d deliver.
    Bad news on the doorstep;
    I couldn’t take one more step.

    I can’t remember if I cried
    When I read about his widowed bride,
    But something touched me deep inside
    The day the music died.

    So bye-bye, miss american pie.
    Drove my chevy to the levee,
    But the levee was dry.
    And them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
    Singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.
    “this’ll be the day that I die.”

    Did you write the book of love,
    And do you have faith in God above,
    If the Bible tells you so?
    Do you believe in rock ’n roll,
    Can music save your mortal soul,
    And can you teach me how to dance real slow?

    Well, I know that you’re in love with him
    `cause I saw you dancin’ in the gym.
    You both kicked off your shoes.
    Man, I dig those rhythm and blues.

    I was a lonely teenage broncin’ buck
    With a pink carnation and a pickup truck,
    But I knew I was out of luck
    The day the music died.

    I started singin’,
    “bye-bye, miss american pie.”
    Drove my chevy to the levee,
    But the levee was dry.
    Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
    And singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.
    “this’ll be the day that I die.”

    Now for ten years we’ve been on our own
    And moss grows fat on a rollin’ stone,
    But that’s not how it used to be.
    When the jester sang for the king and queen,
    In a coat he borrowed from james dean
    And a voice that came from you and me,

    Oh, and while the king was looking down,
    The jester stole his thorny crown.
    The courtroom was adjourned;
    No verdict was returned.
    And while lennon read a book of marx,
    The quartet practiced in the park,
    And we sang dirges in the dark
    The day the music died.

    We were singing,
    “bye-bye, miss american pie.”
    Drove my chevy to the levee,
    But the levee was dry.
    Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
    And singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.
    “this’ll be the day that I die.”

    Helter skelter in a summer swelter.
    The birds flew off with a fallout shelter,
    Eight miles high and falling fast.
    It landed foul on the grass.
    The players tried for a forward pass,
    With the jester on the sidelines in a cast.

    Now the half-time air was sweet perfume
    While the sergeants played a marching tune.
    We all got up to dance,
    Oh, but we never got the chance!
    `cause the players tried to take the field;
    The marching band refused to yield.
    Do you recall what was revealed
    The day the music died?

    We started singing,
    “bye-bye, miss american pie.”
    Drove my chevy to the levee,
    But the levee was dry.
    Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
    And singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.
    “this’ll be the day that I die.”

    Oh, and there we were all in one place,
    A generation lost in space
    With no time left to start again.
    So come on: jack be nimble, jack be quick!
    Jack flash sat on a candlestick
    Cause fire is the devil’s only friend.

    Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
    My hands were clenched in fists of rage.
    No angel born in hell
    Could break that satan’s spell.
    And as the flames climbed high into the night
    To light the sacrificial rite,
    I saw satan laughing with delight
    The day the music died

    He was singing,
    “bye-bye, miss american pie.”
    Drove my chevy to the levee,
    But the levee was dry.
    Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
    And singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.
    “this’ll be the day that I die.”

    I met a girl who sang the blues
    And I asked her for some happy news,
    But she just smiled and turned away.
    I went down to the sacred store
    Where I’d heard the music years before,
    But the man there said the music wouldn’t play.

    And in the streets: the children screamed,
    The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed.
    But not a word was spoken;
    The church bells all were broken.
    And the three men I admire most:
    The father, son, and the holy ghost,
    They caught the last train for the coast
    The day the music died.

    And they were singing,
    “bye-bye, miss american pie.”
    Drove my chevy to the levee,
    But the levee was dry.
    And them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
    Singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.
    “this’ll be the day that I die.”

    They were singing,
    “bye-bye, miss american pie.”
    Drove my chevy to the levee,
    But the levee was dry.
    Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
    Singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.”

  55. Nahida

    There are many women who can handle being a firefighter or working with the police.

    I think the only thing I have a problem with is a woman being in the army–so I’m glad that still hasn’t happened. It’s shameful to kill a woman, and if she’s a soldier…well you don’t have much of a choice. You can either let her kill you or kill her and…live with the guilt. It puts men in an awkward position.

  56. Matt

    I personally like some of Elvis’s music but they were right about him.

    After all you just have to look around to see that things turned out the way they said it would.

    THOSE HIPS, destroyed Western Society.

  57. Alex

    I look at it this way, societies should protect women and children. By putting women out there on the front line it weakens that ideal in society perhaps leading to more domestic abuse of women in the society. Also it gives the enemy a morale uplift when he can rape the enemy’s women. After all isn’t that the ultimate desecration an enemy can do to a society.

    And besides, isn’t it best to hold women back as reserve. Because the truth is that women can be much more ruthless than men especially when protecting home and children.

  58. Nahida

    … if you’ve ever read any Jane Austen or Leo Tolstoy, you know that the marriages people got themselves into in the Victorian era were often based on false pretenses

    Jane Austen gave me unrealistic expectations of men. =/

  59. Nahida

    I love her books though. =D

  60. Lesia

    Excluding Nahida were any of you around in the 50’s/ early 60’s? I doubt it or you wouldn’t be waxing the poetic nostalgia here.

    If it wasn’t for the McCarthy era we wouldn’t have under God, added in 1954, to the pledge or in God we trust, added in 1957, to our money. The “enemy” was every where so we built bomb shelters and “duck & cover” would save us in the event of an atomic attack. China and Russia was about to over run our borders but lets pretend REAL news wasn’t happening.

    Street gangs get their start and they were WHITES. Unwed mothers were every where but lets not talk about that. (I’d like to thank the unwed mother who gave my family my cousin in 1958) Drugs and swingers parties are happening in a new place called the suburbs but we are going to pretend that doesn’t happen. Children are being raped and murdered at a rate that would scare the crap out of people now and very often by their own family members but we don’t want to scare anyone living in the 50’s. There are NO LAWS in the 50’s to protect women from spousal abuse which happened on a regular basis often resulting in a death. Rape victims have their names published in the media and are often drug through the dirt to prove they “deserved it” and IF a man is found guilty they are given a light sentence unless of course they killed their victim. And my favorite, as long as you are white you have a free ticket to hate, torture and even murder anyone who is different.

    Don’t be so quick to jump back to a period in time without knowing the REAL history, Black & White wasn’t as sugar coated as many want to pretend.

    Remember, most of the serial killers we’ve come to know were products of a 50’s home life.

  61. Sam

    Does anyone know the name of the song they play at the end of each show? (During the credits)

  62. Sam

    How often are new episodes put on this website? Is there going to be a season 3?

  63. Alex

    Lesia you sure have a distorted view of the 1950s. It’s an exaggerated view promoted by those who wanted to change things to the way they are now. It’s their propaganda that you are reciting.

    Except for racism, things were much, much better than they are now. Although also you mentioned the threat of the Russians and the Chinese. Well, back then you might have had to worry about them but you didn’t have to think every day you walked into the building you worked that perhaps you might never walk out of that building again because someone might put a plane into it.

    And, what is so wrong with “Under God” in the pledge or “In God We Trust” in our money?

  64. Alex

    Ted Bundy was born to an unwed mother whose family pretended that he was actually his grandparents child. The birth certificate said that it was some WWII war vet who was the father but some within the family even thought that it might have been his mother’s father who was quite abusive.

    That was hardly a “Leave it to Beaver” family life.

    Again, though I don’t think I am talking about totally going back to the 1950s but moving back in that direction. Are some things better now than they were then? Yeah. But taken as a whole things are much much worse than they were back then.

    As the saying goes “we threw out the baby with the bath water”.

    In God they trusted, in bed they slept
    A promise made was a promise kept
    They never cussed or broke their vows
    They’d never make the network now
    But if I could I’d rather be, in a TV town in 63
    It felt so good, felt so right
    Life looked better in black and white

    —-

    And thank Allah, that at least in this show we know that Rayyan and Amaar won’t be jumping into bed anytime soon, like Rachel and Ross on “Friends”.

  65. Alex

    the “enemy” was everywhere

    Lesia, the enemy is still everywhere. So what makes that so different from the 1950s.

    Did I say that the 1950s were perfect? No. But things were, when taken as a whole more perfect than now.

    You can look even further back now to the late 19th century (the Anne of Green Gables time for you Canadians). Back between say 1890s-1900 or so. You had your small towns. Each small town had its park in the center with its gazebo. In the gazebo you would have a group of men who had musical talent get together and play in a band.

    It was during this time when courting became an art form with all its special little rules.

    They had special rooms in the houses at the time called parlours. That’s where guests were met and entertained. They would offer the guest some lemonade or something like that.

    Flowers and their arrangements would mean special things for those who knew the code.

    http://www.aboutflowers.com/floral_b5.html

    What we are seeing here is a true courtship. Something that has all but died out in the West. Now we all know that in the end it is doomed to fail but not because the idea of courtships are so bad but just because Rayyan’s heart is with Amaar. But I believe that we in the west have lost a lot with the death of courting. And that is why what we are seeing here with J.J. and Rayyan is so refreshing.

  66. Lesia

    Alex I AM a product of the 50’s. Its not a distorted view its the history I remember. And this is nonsense (It’s an exaggerated view promoted by those who wanted to change things to the way they are now. It’s their propaganda that you are reciting.) The future is never a “plan” life just ends up in very weird places.

    Yes you DID have to think about it every day. You had to know where all the buildings were with shelter symbols on them if you weren’t lucky enough to work in one. And worse yet you knew you were sending your children to schools that didn’t have shelters. You drilled all the time, spent once a month going through the supplies in your home shelter and we had gas masks as well. The entire world held its breath over the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Bay of Pigs and JFK Assassination. It was a world ruled by FEAR just like today. The late 60’s BROKE fear and we need that again NOW. The enemy is NOT everywhere, its where we make them.

    Whats wrong with “in God we trust” and “under God” they were never supposed to be there. They were placed there under the FEAR that drove the 50’s. The Founders very carefully crafted the words they chose and they used the word Creator so it would encompass ALL and not be exclusionary as many then and now perceive the word God to be.

    Ted Bundy is still a product of the 50’s born to an unwed mother which wasn’t supposed to have happened back then. A very common story from WWII vets is they would return home to find a new baby in the house that was supposedly left on the door step.

    You can skip the lesson from the Victorian era as well. My Grandmother had a parlor until she died as did my Great Aunt & my Great Great Aunt. I even knew my Great Grand Father. Both he and my and my Great,Great Aunt were born near the end of the Civil War, we live long in my family.

    You can keep your lesson in flowers as well because it is incomplete. It was not only the flowers that had meaning but the herbs and greenery arranged with them that told the whole story. The arranging of flowers was my families business for almost 100 years.

    What you are reading isn’t how it was for every one but for the elite. There are a few old timers left, talk to them. Things were not better then it was just as messed up as it is today and in many ways much worse.

    Courting is only dead if women don’t demand it and it makes no difference East or West.

  67. Sam

    Does anyone know the name of the song they play at the end of each show? (During the credits)

    How often are new episodes put on this website? Is there going to be a season 3?

  68. Nahida

    I don’t think it was even for the elite. Wasn’t Patty Duke sexually abused? No one did anything. She was given alcohol by the Rosses–who pretty much kept her captive–when she was 13. They took serious efforts when she was a teenager to portray her as “normal” and conceal her drug abuse and suicidal thoughts.

  69. J

    I’m dying to know if there is going to be a season 3 and how long will it take?
    I’m from the UK and we don’t have lmotp over there and so this is the only way I can watch these episodes.
    I was wondering what happened to season 1 that was posted here. I was introducing lmotp to some of my friends but they wouldn’t work.
    Thanks

  70. Samina

    Sam, The episode are put up on Thursdays.

    It’s called Tala’al Badru Alaina it has been recited by a number of different artists however I don’t actually know who is reciting it this time round.

    J, I’m from the UK too. The first episode were uploaded here from youtube however the user was blocked therefore the episodes can no longer been view. There are some episodes on youtube if have a search.

  71. Nahida

    Here’s a translation of the lyrics:

    O the White Moon rose over us
    O the White Moon rose over us
    From the Valley of Wada’
    From the Valley of Wada ‘
    And we owe it to show gratefulness
    And we owe it to show gratefulness
    Where the call is to Allah
    Where the call is to Allah

    O you who were raised amongst us
    O you who were raised amongst us
    coming with a work to be obeyed
    Coming with a work to be obeyed
    You have brought to this city nobleness
    You have brought to this city nobleness
    Welcome! best call to God’s way
    Best call to God’s way

    It’s a lot prettier in Arabic. There’re ideas lost in translation.

  72. Samina

    It does sound nicer in Arabic.

  73. Sam

    The version in the woman’s voice at the end is very nice, I tried finding it but couldn’t.

  74. Alice

    I wish Canadian society (and the West in General) could go back to “Anne of Green Gables” time.

  75. Alex

    Has anyone seen Sheikh Mishari al-Efasy’s version of Tala’a Al-Badru Alayna .

    Not so peaceful as the Little Mosque on the Prairie version is it.

    Go to youtube. It’s there.

    watch?v=QMu0QwdUovI

  76. Alex

    Has anyone seen Mashari Rashid Al Afasi ‘s version of Tala’al Badru Alain?

    Quite violent indeed.

  77. Here is another video with his version on it.

    You can understand how we could get the impression that Islam is warlike.

  78. For the “Little Mosque on the Prairie” version they credit Jack Lenz, a a Canadian Bahá’í composer.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Lenz

    Of course that still doesn’t tell us the voice of the female that sings it.

  79. http://www.last.fm/music/Jack+Lenz/+wiki

    Jack Lenz is a Canadian Bahá’í composer. He has written, performed, and produced music for film, television, and theatre, along with working on non-soundtrack album ventures. He is also the founder of Live Unity Enterprises, an organization devoted to the production of music for the Bahá’í community, and dramatic and musical resources to help promote its teachings. For example, Lenz wrote the music for the Expectation opening music for the second Bahá’í World Congress in 1992 with an audience of tens of thousands of Bahá’ís from around the world.

    Jack Lenz was born in Eston, Saskatchewan. His mother was also raised in Saskatchewan, and his father came to Canada from Hungary during the Depression. Still in his youth Lenz took piano lessons from Garth Beckett and later studied composition at the University of Saskatchewan.Lenz became a professional musician when he played keyboards and flute for the soft-rock bands Seals and Crofts and Loggins and Messina touring around the world, performing before large audiences, and recording.Lenz’ involvement in children’s issues stems partly from having seven children of his own, as well as being an arena which avoids “the conflict between what I believe about music and its sacred nature and dealing with what a lot of programing deals with, which sometimes could be the worst aspects of human nature.” Lenz joined the Bahá’í Faith in 1969.

    Lenz has done music production work for over 100 programs for various categories of mass media including television series and information/news programming, feature films, movies of the week, documentaries, live to broadcast, and children’s television productions for networks like the CBC, NBC, Nickelodeon, PAX TV, Discovery Channel, Scholastic-HBO, Showtime, and Nelvana / CBS as well as theatrical works.

    * Little Mosque on the Prairie (2007)
    * “Sue Thomas: F.B.Eye” (12 episodes, 2003-2005)
    * The Passion of the Christ (2004)
    * Goosebumps (TV series)
    * RoboCop: The Series
    * 13 years of the Hospital for Sick Children’s Telethon
    * 7 years of YTV’s Youth Achievement Awards[14]
    * musical direction of A tribute to renowned author, Mordecai Richler
    * more than twenty separate television productions back to 1983.

  80. Did you know the company that produces the show, WestWind Pictures, is owned by members of the Bahá’í Community, not Muslims?

    http://www.ca.bahai.org/main.cfm?sid=258

  81. The answer to this question couldn’t be Holly Stell could it be?

    The only reason I think it could have been her is that she is so connected with Jack Lenz.

    Well, whoever the singer is she sure has a good voice. So, I guess I can only provide you with a half of an answer. Jack Lenz made the music, but who sung it is still a mystery.

    But I do find it interesting the Music that Jack Lenz set Tala’al Badru Alaina compared to what an actual Muslim set it to.

    By the way, here is the version by Yusuf Islam

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1897010327804155638

  82. matt

    Yusuf Islam, that was the guy who killed Cat Stevens wasn’t it.

    It was all because his daddy didn’t spend enough time with him as a child.

  83. Whoever was talking about the “violent” videos, often on youtube ppl use music without the singer’s permission and make their own video for it. Then it’s associated with that singer, but he/she may have had nothing to do with it. That’s caused a lot of problems for some singers.

    I’m not sure who sings at the end of lmotp. I’m guessing she’s Egyptian, because she says “wagaba shukru alayna…” instead of “wajaba shukru alayna,” which is the standard Arabic. She has a nice voice. Or maybe she’s not even Arab for all we know and the phonetic lyrics were just given to her, and they were transliterated by an Egyptian.

    These episodes are getting really interesting! I think I’ve heard that in Islam it’s unethical (and maybe even forbidden) for a man to interfere when another man is already courting a woman he wants to marry (unless the guy’s a bad person and then he has to warn her). The idea is that one’s own desires shouldn’t cause one to start a fight, because that would cause a division in the community. So basically Ammar can’t do anything unless JJ changes his mind or Rayyan says no.

    What stopped Ammar before? I’m guessing it has something to do with him living in a church attic and being broke. That and probably being scared, but I’m guessing the former had a lot to do with it. Maybe he should do a bit of Law on the side, being an imam in a town as small as Mercy can’t take up that much of his time!

    Moderator: can we have more than one comments thread per episode? At least one where we ONLY DISCUSS TOPICS RELATED TO THAT EPISODE and maybe another that’s more open? I just come on here to talk about the episode and end up skimming over the other stuff.

    I think Rayyan does like Ammar, but when JJ came along, she was mad at him (no one wants to be told what’s wrong with them, and no one would want to marry someone who would be doing it all the time, that would be torture!), which made JJ look pretty good to her. But I think she’ll eventually find JJ pretty boring.

    Babur was excellent!

  84. Matt: ppl don’t have to change their names when they convert (I didn’t), but many ppl choose to. Check out some of his new music. It’s very much like the old Cat Stevens material: http://www.yusufislam.com/ His son, Yoriyos, is also a singer: http://www.yoriyos.com/ Yoriyos is very influenced by Native American culture; I’m not sure why.

  85. May

    I think the violent video is done by a terrorist supporter.

  86. Adara

    I was going to comment on the episode–which was hilarious and endearing–but then I saw this:
    By putting women out there on the front line it weakens that ideal in society perhaps leading to more domestic abuse of women in the society.
    You must be joking. Really. I’ll be damned if you’re suggesting that women were never abused until we decided it was okay to put them in the line of fire (just like male fellow citizens).
    Let me say this–the “ideal” you’re talking about? It never exists. Every once in awhile, people think up a new dream to wish over, but there’s always pathetic or disturbed freaks who mess it up because they don’t even understand the ideal.
    Try explaining your theory about domestic abuse to the abuser himself…he’ll just tell you he doesn’t care what his victim’s occupation is (or what other women’s occupations are), he’ll lash out whenever he perceives that the victim has done him wrong.

    Here comes the activist feminist Adara ranting about what needs to change:
    I think we need to first bring families in abusive situations into the light and to justice, if possible. (Obviously.)
    …and then we need to teach girls, from an early age, what to do if someone hits them or otherwise tries to manipulate them…beat the hell out of the abuser and/or run them through every punitive measure they deserve. Let’s use school as an opportunity to hammer this point into children’s brains–there is [well, as of now, *ought* to be] zero tolerance for offensive violence.
    Hand in hand with these measures, we should come up with a way to stop girls from growing up thinking of themselves as objects. (Obviously a much more difficult project…)

    And…I’m not being mean, but you certainly don’t know much about the 1950s. My parents grew up then. My mother was scared every day that Russians were going to attack her town.
    You also can’t forget about how in those wonderful ’50s, cheating husbands locked their perfectly sane wives in horrific mental institutions so that they wouldn’t have to “deal with” them. A moral Shangri-La, those 1950s.

  87. May

    http://video.aol.com/video-detail/tala-al-badru-alayna-yusuf-islam-cat-stevens-nasheed-song/1107810637

    That one looked good too except why did Yusuf Islam kill Cat Stevens? Did he think that “the man in the moon” was some insult against Islam. It was simply a nursery rhyme. Is this Yusuf guy now in the Muslim World because he would be arrested if he came into the West for the murder of Cat Stevens?

  88. Alex

    “My mother was scared every day that Russians were going to attack her town.”

    And that differs from being scared every day that your town is going to be nuked by some suitcase bomb in what way?

  89. Alex

    Adara one of the worst things an enemy can do to a society is rape their women. That’s why the Russians raped the German women when they invaded Germany. That is why there was all that rape going on in the Balkans.

    So, what do we do? We have it so they don’t even have to invade our homeland before they get a chance to rape our women. Can you imagine what that must do for the enemy’s morale?

  90. Nahida

    Alex, you seem more concerned about the reputation of the society than the raped women.

  91. Nahida

    And it’s like you’re trying to glaze it over with a protective tone to make it seem as through you’re really just concerned about women’s rights.

    No man should be speaking for a woman–especially when he doesn’t even know what they want.

  92. Nahida

    You will not find a single woman police officer or firefighter complaining about her job.

    Let her do what she wants.

  93. Nahida

    You remind me of those men who look at our women funny when they wear hi’jabs. They don’t want Muslim women to be “forced” to wear it, but they want to force them to take it off.

  94. Alex

    You will not find a single woman police officer or firefighter complaining about her job.

    How about people complaining about how she is doing her job? Of course it wouldn’t be Politically Correct to do so.

    Lots of times a bad guy has escaped because the policewoman wasn’t strong enough to over power him.

    Alex, you seem more concerned about the reputation of the society than the raped women.

    I was talking about the psychological advantage it would give the enemy in war.

    Also I believe that in the society that allows women soldiers it would lessen the concept of a society protecting women which would lead to more violence to women. Can we agree on that Adara? More violence not saying that there isn’t violence to women already.

  95. oh, here are more versions of that song.

    http://tinyurl.com/yt8df5

  96. You remind me of those men who look at our women funny when they wear hi’jabs.

    It’s not the hi’jabs but the burkas that really freak us out.

  97. Also regarding the whole Woman Warrior thing women upset the male bonding thing that needs to take place to have a strong force. And when I say male bonding, no I don’t mean in some homosexual way. I mean in the way that turns a group of strangers in to a band of brothers.

  98. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57141

    Study: 3 in 4 U.S. mosques preach anti-West extremism

    Secret survey exposes widespread radicalism

    An undercover survey of more than 100 mosques and Islamic schools in America has exposed widespread radicalism, including the alarming finding that 3 in 4 Islamic centers are hotbeds of anti-Western extremism, WND has learned.

    The Mapping Sharia in America Project, sponsored by the Washington-based Center for Security Policy, has trained former counterintelligence and counterterrorism agents from the FBI, CIA and U.S. military, who are skilled in Arabic and Urdu, to conduct undercover reconnaissance at some 2,300 mosques and Islamic centers and schools across the country.

    “So far of 100 mapped, 75 should be on a watchlist,” an official familiar with the project said.

    Many of the Islamic centers are operating under the auspices of the Saudi Arabian government and U.S. front groups for the radical Muslim Brotherhood based in Egypt.

    Frank Gaffney, a former Pentagon official who runs the Center for Security Policy, says the results of the survey have not yet been published. But he confirmed that “the vast majority” are inciting insurrection and jihad through sermons by Saudi-trained imams and anti-Western literature, videos and textbooks.

    The project, headed by David Yerushalmi, a lawyer and expert on sharia law, has finished collecting data from the first cohort of 102 mosques and schools. Preliminary findings indicate that almost 80 percent of the group exhibit a high level of sharia-compliance and jihadi threat, including:

    * Ultra-orthodox worship in which women are separated from men in the prayer hall and must enter the mosque from a separate, usually back, entrance; and are required to wear hijabs.

    * Sermons that preach women are inferior to men and can be beaten for disobedience; that non-Muslims, particularly Jews, are infidels and inferior to Muslims; that jihad or support of jihad is not only a Muslim’s duty but the noblest way, and suicide bombers and other so-called “martyrs” are worthy of the highest praise; and that an Islamic caliphate should one day encompass the U.S.

    * Solicitation of financial support for jihad.

    * Bookstores that sell books, CDs and DVDs promoting jihad and glorifying martyrdom.

    Though not all mosques in America are radicalized, many have tended to serve as safe havens and meeting points for Islamic terrorist groups. Experts say there are at least 40 episodes of extremists and terrorists being connected to mosques in the past decade alone.

    Some of the 9/11 hijackers, in fact, received aid and counsel from one of the largest mosques in the Washington, D.C., area. Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center is one of the mosques indentified by undercover investigators as a hive of terrorist activity and other extremism.

    It was founded and is currently run by leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood. Imams there preach what is called “jihad qital,” which means physical jihad, and incite violence and hatred against the U.S.

    Dar al-Hijrah’s ultimate goal, investigators say, is to turn the U.S. into an Islamic state governed by sharia law.

    Another D.C.-area mosque, the ADAMS Center, was founded and financed by members of the Muslim Brotherhood, and has been one of the top distributors of Wahhabist anti-Semitic and anti-Christian dogma.

    Even with such radical mosques operating in its backyard, the U.S. government has not undertaken its own systematic investigation of U.S. mosques.

    In contrast, European Union security officials are analyzing member-state mosques, examining the training and funding sources of imams, in a large-scale project.

    Some U.S. lawmakers want the U.S. to conduct its own investigation.

    “We have too many mosques in this country,” said Rep. Pete King, R-N.Y. “There are too many people who are sympathetic to radical Islam. We should be looking at them more carefully.”

  99. J

    Thanks for the info Samina.

    I thought Cat Stevens and Yusuf Islam were the same people. So what’s the debate about one killing the other….or did i just take that too literally, I probably did.

    I think in the majority of the UK, because there is such a variety of people with different ethnic backgrounds, we have learnt to respect eachothers differences. I know quite a few people who wear the burkah and still have jobs without facing many issues. But whilst they are working, they usually take off the face cover as it may cause communication barriers with their colleagues.
    (I’m not speaking for the whole of the UK, just the area I’m from and familiar with)

    I’m interested to know what the environment is like in Canada. Is it anything similar to what is portrayed in lmotp? (obviously i know the city may be different to the prairies)

  100. Nahida

    Lots of times a bad guy has escaped because the policewoman wasn’t strong enough to over power him.

    What, no articles this time?

  101. Nahida

    It’s not the hi’jabs but the burkas that really freak us out.

    Yeah, right. The first day I started high school my friend was demanded by a staff member to remove her hijab. He wasn’t supposed to make her do it, but we didn’t know because it was the first day and we were freshwomen. It was horrible watching him watch her take it off. We should have gone home but we couldn’t miss that day. I had to stand there and witness it all in fire.

  102. Nahida

    He thought she was oppressed or something–he was the one oppressing her. It doesn’t matter if it’s the hijab or the burka that’s freaking you out. If she wants to do it, it’s her choice. Live with it.

  103. She could have sued him and made lots of money.

  104. Would you testify as a witness?

    Seriously she could sue his employers (the school district) and make perhaps even a million dollars. The school district has insurance for such things.

  105. Sam

    If someone finds out who sang the version in the show, please post! I would really like to know, it’s so nice. Thanks!

  106. Nahida

    I know, but we came back the next and another staff member saw him telling her to take it off again and asking why she had it on when he already told her to take it off, and the other member–he said it was okay (that’s how we knew he wasn’t supposed to). The first guy apologized to her like a million times, and he sounded really, really sincere and like it was truly an honest mistake, so we decided not to make anything out of it.

  107. Alex

    “The first guy apologized to her like a million times, and he sounded really, really sincere and like it was truly an honest mistake, so we decided not to make anything out of it.”

    There’s no statute of limitations on something like this. The fact is that the first guy made her take it off, something in your culture that would be like if he told someone to take off her shirt.

    The damage was done (and your friend was too embarrassed to do anything about it, that will be her excuse for waiting so long).

    You live in California, right? This is a slam dunk for even a half way decent lawyer. But get a good one. They will take the case for free. They get paid out of the settlement came your friend will get. They will love to take this case for her and it will be no charge to her.

  108. Nahida

    Yeah, we live in California, and one of my other friends told her exactly that, what you said.

    And she said in reply, very seriously and solemnly, “Islam teaches forgiveness.”

    So we left it.

  109. Alex

    They get paid out of the settlement claim your friend will get. They will love to take this case for her and it will be no charge to her.

    We are really talking about thousands of dollars here at the very least even after the lawyers take out their fees. And if they don’t win the case which duh only the most stupid of lawyer wouldn’t win and your friend is going to get a good lawyer, but on the off chance your friend don’t win, she pays nothing to the lawyers.

    You know a very good lawyer could probably get a million or more. It is in their interest to get the most for their client since they are paid a percentage.

  110. Alex

    She is probably embarrassed. Which even helps promote her claim. A good lawyer could really use such behavior to win sympathy.

    He made her take off her shirt (well at least for a Muslim that’s how it would have felt). Such denigration can not be tolerated. And like I said the School District has insurance that covers such lawsuits and settlements.

  111. Alex

    I shouldn’t say there is absolutely no statute of limitations for this. When did it happen though? One year ago? Two years ago? Three years ago? I don’t think even if there was it would have run out yet but of course I am no lawyer and she should seek legal council.

  112. Alex

    And again, the legal council is free. Now if they take the case on they will get a good portion of the settlement but there will still be a lot left especially if the settlement is in the millions which isn’t unheard of, especially in California.

  113. Alex

    She should at least speak to a lawyer who is an expert in this area. That wouldn’t cost her any money and then she would understand her options.

  114. Alex

    Oh, and if she is worried about testifying in court which I don’t see why she would be, but if she is, most likely this will be settled without going to trial as the School District will know they will probably lose and they don’t want the bad Press. So what happens is an out-of-court settlement where a trial doesn’t even occur.

    Though perhaps she would want it to go to trial for the two reasons people settle out of court is because one they don’t want the bad press and two they don’t want to risk having the court settlement be even higher than what they are willing to settle out of court for. So, if it is taken to court most likely she will make lots more money.

    But if she doesn’t want to take it to court, an out-of-court settlement will probably be quite high as well.

  115. Alex

    Is she worried that the male members of her family are going to beat or kill her if they found out that she exposed herself without a hijab to a man?

    Is that why she doesn’t want to take it to court?

  116. Alex

    If she fears for her safety then yeah, it makes sense why she wouldn’t want to make an issue out of this.

  117. Matt

    And she said in reply, very seriously and solemnly, “Islam teaches forgiveness.”

    What? You still haven’t forgiven us for the crusades! And that happened more than one thousand years ago.

  118. Nahida

    We are really talking about thousands of dollars here at the very least even after the lawyers take out their fees.

    You’re missing the point. She doesn’t want money.

    Is she worried that the male members of her family are going to beat or kill her if they found out that she exposed herself without a hijab to a man?

    Absolutely not. You don’t know them! If they were like that she wouldn’t even be going to a public school.

  119. Alex

    Matt, I think her real reason was that she was concerned that she could be a victim of an “Honor” Killing, or at the least be physically punished by the male members of her family for exposing herself without a hijab to a man.

  120. Alex

    Well, if she isn’t in fear, then what is it?

    It certainly isn’t because “Islam teaches forgiveness” for as Matt correctly mentions Muslims hold the world’s record in holding a grudge.

  121. Nahida

    I think her real reason was that she was concerned that she could be a victim of an “Honor” Killing, or at the least be physically punished by the male members of her family for exposing herself without a hijab to a man.

    Again, you don’t know her. You don’t know them. And if you did know them you’d be kicking yourself for saying such things.

    That is, if you had any sense of shame.

    It certainly isn’t because “Islam teaches forgiveness” for as Matt correctly mentions Muslims hold the world’s record in holding a grudge.

    Do you really want me to start listing things from the Bible that Christians have not followed in the course of history? Or can I just spare my time do my homework?

  122. Alex

    Matt, I haven’t thanked you for posting that article yet. 3 in 4 U.S. mosques preach anti-West extremism, wow!

    Either it is different in Canada or “Little Mosque on the Prairie” doesn’t really reflect what actually goes on in Mosques.

  123. Nahida

    I guess it shouldn’t surprise me, since you have the sexist idea that all women are absolutely helpless.

  124. Alex

    Actually Nahida I said that while I don’t want women on the battlefield, they make good “reserves”. Women can be much more ruthless then men when it comes to defending themselves and their children.

    That isn’t calling them helpless is it?

    There is nothing more dangerous than a mother bear defending her cubs.

  125. Susan

    To Matt and Alex:

    Ok, first of all, how is any of this your business ? You don’t know anything about her, her family, or her community. You know only the bare details of what happened. If she doesn’t want to take it to court, then leave her alone ! And what’s with the constant harping on how much money she can make? Didn’t you say that you aren’t a lawyer? Then why try to give her legal counsel? Why are you jumping to conclusions? If she doesn’t want to make a big deal out of it, then it means that she’s afraid of being beaten ? Have you ever even stepped foot in a mosque? Had Muslim friends? Are you really going to claim that all Muslims everywhere are incapable of forgiving? Besides, Muslims are still people , and people forgive all the time. So please, stop jumping to conclusions and believing every stereotype you’ve heard. Honestly, are you deliberately trying to spark debate? Because it sure sounds like you are.

  126. Nahida

    I’m calling Ayesha…

  127. Oh my gosh. I don’t even know where to start. What are you saying about my FAMILY?! And money? Money? Alex how OLD are you?! Do you honestly think that’s going to be more important to me, even if it means getting a man who made an honest mistake FIRED and put to shame? And Matt–Nahida told me not to address you but I’m not nearly as patient as her so I’m going to do it anyway, JUST THIS ONCE–3 out of 4 mosques?! Do you HONESTLY believe everything the press says? SLANDER is against the Constitution but it happens ALL THE TIME because people don’t even KNOW what they’re talking about AND they write false articles and make false witnesses and do WHATEVER they can to make Muslims look bad…you know, Alex, sort of how you’ve just SLANDERED all over my family.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/06042007/news/regionalnews/catskills_site_eyed_regionalnews_john_mazor_and_murray_weiss.htm

    Alex–I ought to warn you now–you don’t know Nahida–JUST LIKE YOU DON’T KNOW MY FAMILY–but she’s a real feminist and if you’re arguing with her over this, you’re wasting your time if you think you can push her into agreeing with you that women can’t make firefighters or be in the police force. Who do you think you are, speaking for all women? You don’t even know what we want!

    I can’t believe people like you exist.

  128. Alex

    man who made an honest mistake FIRED

    Nothing honest about him making you strip in front of him.

  129. Alex

    man who made an honest mistake FIRED

    Nothing honest about him making you strip in front of him.

  130. Paul

    The guy sounds like some sicko pervert to me.

    She would be doing a service to us all to get this creep out of the school system.

    People like him give our schools a bad name. The fewer people like him with access to our children the better.

    And besides, she gets all that money. It’s like she has just won the lottery. Though of course I am not saying that makes up for the denigration that he put her through. Nothing could make up for that but still it sure helps with her college fund.

    Take the money Ayesha.

  131. Alex

    Nahida, it would be a much harder case, but I believe you might be able to sue the school district too for having witnessed what happened to your friend.

    I am not saying it would be a slam dunk like it is with your friend but you could say that seeing your friend treated like that was extremely traumatic and therefore you could sue because of that.

    There must be some lawyer who would take the case on that grounds. And just like your friend you don’t have to pay the lawyer one penny. If you lose, the lawyer gets nothing. If you win, then yeah the lawyer does get a good amount of it but there is still enough left for you.

  132. Samina

    Nahida you are falling back into the same trap. Alex and Matt will continue to harp on about total nonsense and you will keep reacting.

    Matt and Alex for once just back off. Are you after some kind of commission? If she decides to take it to court then you will just come at it from the other angle claiming a ‘muslim girl’ got a school teacher fired attaching ridiculous articles to go with it.

    Take you bitterness elsewhere. If you,spent as much time getting to know the real Islam (s opposed to the fabricated rubbish you see in the media), as you do spreading hatred on here, you may even have a good point to make. Islam is indeed about forgiveness and none of this crap about holding grudges. Why do the actions of a few people make you come to that conclusion?

    You know what, I bet neither of you even associate with anyMuslims to even begin to understand our point of view.

    You live a sheltered life and go by everything you see in the Media. Get out more and see the world!!

  133. Alex

    I believe that a person has the right to wear whatever he or she wants at school (within reason of course).

    A Burka is different because it hides ones identity. I wouldn’t want people to be allowed to go to school in a ski mask either for the same reason.

    A hijab is basically a head scarf. What’s so wrong about wearing a head scarf to school. I guess the only way I would be upset at it is if a Christian wasn’t allowed to wear a cross to school but Muslims could wear Muslim symbols.

    Still though I believe I would come out on the side of the females wearing hijabs. Again, so what. It’s not only Muslim women who wear something like a hijab. I know they feel differently in France but I have never liked the French to begin with.

    This isn’t a case like “the flying imans” where I see the lawsuit as putting public safety at risk. This isn’t like what CAIR does by suing people for every perceived insult against Islam. This neither puts public safety nor free speech at risk. Actually this goes beyond an issue of Islam and becomes an issue of the state unnecessarily infringing upon personal freedoms.

    Look I am very sensitive about being forced to make accommodations to groups such as Muslims. But again, this isn’t about going out of ones way to accommodate a group. It is about letting things be. And especially given that to a Muslim woman having men see their hair is almost like having a male see their naked breasts then this almost rises to the level of sexual abuse. At least it comes way too close to comfort. If there was some kind of public safety issue then yeah, for practicality and safety I would understand, but of course that didn’t come into play here.

  134. Nahida

    This discussion is absolutely over. How did we start talking about my personal life?! Alex will you stop it with the money?! NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE MONEY.

    Keep saying all you want, but I’m not going to be back here–until the next episide, to talk about the show. And when I do I’ll be talking to Adara, Samina, and Lesia.

    Get a life.

  135. Alex

    I guess the reason I want her to sue the creep is I do believe in personal respect and am against the state unnecessarily infringing upon personal rights.

    I am against the sue, sue atmosphere of the American workplace. I am against how women can use the “atomic bomb” against their male co-worker. Or how white males have to live in fear of minorities using the “atomic bomb” against them. It offends me that people are forced into going into liberal re-education training under threat of losing their job. If an employer forced his coworkers to listen to Rush Limbaugh every year or lose their job that would not be tolerated, even though in a very real sense that is what the fascist Left is doing with their ideology.

    But this isn’t like a guy living in fear that one misinterpreted word will get him fired for sexual or racial harassment which is the state of the workplace today. This is where he ordered someone to undress in front of him. That is what makes this case so different.

    If you want to forgive the man okay forgive him. But do so after you get the settlement.

  136. Alex

    I would be outraged if the lawsuit was something like a bunch of Muslim kids suing the school district for not providing a halal lunch menu.

    That would be an unwarranted burden upon the district. How would that be done? Would there be a separate line for those needing halal meals? Would the schools only serve halal meals? If so that would be making everyone else conform to their standard. The cost of setting a system up to confirm that the food was halal would be too expensive. And if they are accommodate Muslims when it comes to food, who else do they also need to accommodate? Can’t they bring their halal food from home?

    No, that would be the kind of lawsuit that would get my blood boiling, but not this one. This one I believe is justified and would do the society as a whole good if it was done. It would not only be good for Muslims but for everyone as it would show that government can’t unnecessarily infringe upon something that should be ones own personal choice.

  137. Alex

    Nahida, you said yourself he thought she was oppressed or something.

    So that proves that it was NOT an honest mistake but instead he was using his authority or at least perceived authority to force your friend to adopt his ideology “for her own good”.

    And that can not be tolerated. Schools are there to teach – not to indoctrinate! Whether it is using the classroom to promote that homosexuality is an appropriate alternative lifestyle, or to promote the lie of man made global warming without showing the other side, such abuses must be fought whenever they come up!

    The first guy apologized to her like a million times, and he sounded really, really sincere

    Yeah, he was sincerely afraid for his job at that point. Someone must have set him aside and informed him the liability he just put the school district in. I can just imagine the fear he must have felt when he finally understood the implications of what he did. Especially in California.

    Go after the scumbag. This liberal fascism can not stand. He didn’t have the right to abuse the authority he had because he thought he knew “what was best” for your friend.

  138. Alex

    How did we start talking about my personal life?!

    You were the one who brought it up thinking that I would take the School District’s side in the matter.

    But as you now see that couldn’t be further than the truth.

  139. Alex

    Nahida, you realize of course that when I talk about money I am not taking about a small amount. I am talking about the kind of money that changes people’s destiny.

  140. Susan

    So, first… what’s the “atomic bomb” you keep referring to…?

    Would there be a separate line for those needing halal meals? Would the schools only serve halal meals?

    Why would that need to happen? Vegetarian meals are usually offered in schools, but they don’t take over the meal system. Just because there are vegetarians doesn’t mean we all have to eat only vegetables.

    Go after the scumbag.

    Way to judge someone based off of one action.

    I am talking about the kind of money that changes people’s destiny.

    You can change your destiny without the help of obscene amounts of money. You don’t even know if she wants to change her destiny. What if she’s perfectly happy with the way things are?

    Please, let sleeping dogs lie. It’s her decision, and you can ramble all you want, but if she doesn’t want to press charges, then she won’t, and nothing you can say will change her mind.

  141. Adara

    Also I believe that in the society that allows women soldiers it would lessen the concept of a society protecting women which would lead to more violence to women. Can we agree on that Adara? More violence not saying that there isn’t violence to women already.
    Um, I can agree that “you believe” that, but I can’t agree that it is correct.
    The issue is women being raised to believe that they are constantly under attack (physically or otherwise) and, relatedly, that they are objects. Women do not really need to be “protected” in any special way by the society at large; they just need to be supported when need be. Really, most crimes against women occur within a few miles of their home, perpetrated by someone that they know. Men have more to worry about from strangers than women do.
    On the military note–the United States’ military is already screwed up as it is. It’s completely stretched to the limit morally, organisationally, and beyond. There is no reason for soldiers to come home and be able to shoot civilians because they haven’t gotten any transitional help. There is no reason for soldiers to harass or rape *fellow soldiers* (who happen to be women) and then get away with it.
    Someone above mentioned the need for a “boys’ club”-type of spirit in the army–what a crock. That only “helps morale” in the movies. That type of bizarre, testosterone-fueled “code” of living is what causes soldiers to return home, tell the authorities they feel just fine (when they’re unable to sleep, having hallucinations, and experiencing tachycardia at the slightest noise), and end up drowning their wife in a bathtub.
    Life is too complicated for that type of thinking, Alex.

  142. Alex

    “There is no reason for soldiers to come home and be able to shoot civilians because they haven’t gotten any transitional help.”

    Not that we shouldn’t help Vets for of course we should but it is misleading to say that they shoot people at home. Actually its an insult. If you take any big group of people (truckers, teachers, whatever) you will probably find a murder rate much higher than returning vets. Falling for that propaganda again, huh. Yeah, those tv shows are sure good at those “flash back scenes”. Our military really are the best of us, and while sure you can find some bad apples, most of them nether you nor I are worthy to wash their feet. I am in total awe of them.

  143. Alex

    I love your hypocrisy.

    I hear several cases of “honor killings” in the West but no, I shouldn’t take that as reflective of the community as a whole.

    But, you hear of a few cases of soldiers who upon coming home happen to be involved in a murder, then they are all just a step away from that.

    We get it, you hate America Adara. Whatever.

  144. Alex

    Susan said:

    Way to judge someone based off of one action.

    Do you understand what he did to her? The only analogy I can make that comes close for us in the West is if he told a female to take of her shirt exposing her bare breasts.

    He exposed her, he denigrated her, he humiliated her, and you are saying he shouldn’t pay for what he did? And the way we do that in the West is to sue.

    Now there is another way to deal with him and make him pay for his insult, but that isn’t how we do things in the West. At least not these days. Suffice to say he should feel lucky that he would only lose his job.

  145. Adara

    Alex, you happen to know approximately nothing about real life.
    Falling for that propaganda again, huh. Yeah, those tv shows are sure good at those “flash back scenes”. Our military really are the best of us … most of them nether you nor I are worthy to wash their feet. I am in total awe of them.
    You don’t know anything about me. All you know how to do with my valid argument about something very real (like the crises that have befallen those close to and in the military) is respond with a personal attack, because you don’t know how to argue about real issues.
    Just to humour you and try to completely annihilate your wanton assumptions, I’ll have you know that I do not own a television and couldn’t tell you the last time I saw any TV or film (fiction or not) involving soldiers. I have a disproportionately large number of family members in the military, several of whom have returned from the Middle East with severe PTSD and/or raging alcohol addiction. I know what I’m talking about from experience, but even if I didn’t have these ties, I still know about military-related cases across the country because I keep myself well-informed on issues affecting the US.
    We get it, you hate America Adara. Whatever.
    Wash my feet, you jerk. You have no idea how I feel about these United States of America, because that was never what we were talking about. I don’t need to tell you how much I love the US, because you and I are not friends, and we were not having a patriotism competition in the first place.
    We get it, you hate being rational, Alex. Whatever.
    You have no idea what you’re talking about.

  146. Alex

    The Vets I know coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan are amazing people who are all very well adjusted. None of them have periods of them when “they think they are back there”. Yeah, that looks good on TV and the movies, but for the Vets I know that isn’t the case.

    Do I think we should treat them better. ABSOLUTELY. We owe it to them. But at the same time it’s not like they are one step away from snapping. That is as much if more of a stereotype as the stereotype of the Muslims being all terrorists.

  147. Alex

    None of them have periods of time when “they think they are back there”. Yeah, that looks good on TV and the movies, but for the Vets I know that isn’t the case.

    It is a very insulting stereotype of people who have given more to America than most.

  148. Adara

    I have no idea what “looks good on TV and the movies”. That’s not where I get my information.
    I’m glad that your veteran friends have returned safely; but keep in mind that things aren’t always what they seem. Of course, I don’t mean to say that your veteran friends are all affected to a debilitating degree, but it’s just that with mental disturbance and trauma, we don’t really know. I had no idea my cousin was so affected until he ended up in rehabilitation. Similarly, it’s difficult to tell when domestic violence is happening, especially in the enigmatic world of the military network. The list of secrets goes on and on, and doesn’t just apply to soldiers and their families.
    I don’t think it’s insulting to say what’s true–that being in combat can be extraordinarily traumatising, that it alters one’s state of being sometimes irreversibly. Did I ever say that all soldiers are one way, let alone a bad way? No. Is it true that an unacceptable number of American soldiers are coming home victims even if they don’t arrive in caskets? Yes. Astonishing numbers of veterans are ending up homeless because their lives unravel so drastically upon return.
    Frankly, I don’t understand how we’ve come to debate about this. These are the facts. There are hard numbers documenting these things.
    All that I’m getting from you are more unwarranted personal attacks, not actual rebuttals–you bafflingly call my comments “insulting”, you insult my intelligence (like hell if I get my information from television and movies), and you attempt to spin my words to make them sound a way I never said them (trying to indicate that I meant that every single soldier is on the very edge). I’m talking about problems in the system, while you’re working on ways to try to throw irrelevant cheap shots. What a laughably lopsided debate.

    And please, tell us what you’re giving to the United States, since you seem to think you have so much authority on the subject.
    Maybe if you would join the military and put yourself out there, you would lose your bizarre fairy tale about what it’s like to be a soldier.

  149. Elizabeth

    Thanks, Nadiha, for your input =) Now I’ll understand better what’s going on in the show. In mainline Protestant denominations now, if a pastor and a member want to date, either the pastor or the member has to leave the church until they (possibly) get married to ensure that there’s no issue with power. Of course, it’s pretty hard to know whether something’s going to be that serious in the first place, so it’s a rule that doesn’t make much sense! I’m sure complications could still arise in a mosque, but it’s interesting (and I think good) that mosques are set up in that way.

    Unrealistic expectations of men… I think it’s true. If only men would live up to those expectations (you know, of being nice, thoughtful, sincere). 😉 Good men are hard to find, but they do exist — every once in awhile!

  150. Nahida

    You’re very welcome Elizabeth. =)

    The new episode is late. -pouts-

    I think nice, thoughtful, sincere men are born once a century.

  151. forgot 2 message 🙂 Episode 19 has been online

  152. Farah

    Where’s episode 19?

  153. Naina

    This show is so great, the way they present the awkward dating situation is so much to the point, love it.

    I wouldn`t have believed that a little little comment would stir up a “sex change discussion” here. What a world is this … .
    As a matter of fact, following some serious scientific data discovered in recent decades, some Islamic scholars actually deem transsexuality a natural condition and have passed fatwas that allow “sex change surgery”. Even bad old conservative Ayatollah Khomeini did so and that´s why these surgeries are totally legal in the so-called Islamic Republic of Iran. There´s also a famous Sunni fatwa from Al-Azhar university which follows the same strand of thinking.
    In Indonesia there is a very famous Muslim transsexuel late night show host called Dorce Gamalama who is known as a very strong believer. And in Turkey there´s a famous transsexual singer called Bulent Ersoy.
    Many might not like this … but these are the hard facts.

    Apart from that, a big part of conservative scholars and conservative Muslim general population do indeed think that transsexuality is haraam and a very bad sin … but many of them still think that this will have to judged by God alone in the end, who will judeg the whole person.
    As already said … good Muslims don´t make a fuzz out of someone´s sexual life, as long as it does not touch the public sphere. Mind your own sins first is a good basis of Muslim morals…didn´t Jesus say that as well?

    Leaving that issue:
    I am sure in the end Amaar and Rayyan will discover their true feeling soon, or?
    I mean, nothing has been fixed yet. So much can still happen between J.J. and Rayyan. I see them as the “dream couple”.
    Let´s see … .

  154. Alex

    good Muslims don´t make a fuzz out of someone´s sexual life, as long as it does not touch the public sphere.

    Actually in the West it has been touching the public sphere. It touches the public sphere when homosexuals want so called “Gay marriage”. It touches the public sphere when they have their gay parades, etc.

    If they “kept it out the the public sphere” I would have no problem. But that is not what they are doing these days.

  155. Naina

    Alex, I agree that one can debate how much these days these issues touched the public sphere.
    Muslims debate this as well … with as much variance as Christian communities.

    However, legally speaking – in terms of Classical Islamic Law – sexual life only then touches the public sphere when sexual acts become obvious and visible.
    This does not only apply to homosexuality but also to heterosexuality.
    E.g. adultery may be a sin in any case and might give you serious trouble on the Last Day but it only becomes an issue of Classical Islamic Law when sexual activity has become public and obvious, witnessed by at least four witnesses.

    Gay parades are a public display of sexual preference…but not necessarily of lived sexuality.
    Rest is dirty phantasy of observers; not relevant regarding Muslim fiqh.
    Under different historical circumstances Islamic cultures and scholars have responded in several ways to the difference between both.
    As I said, this can have as much variance as Christian responses to the issue.
    Homoerotic poetry was quite en vogue in 13th century Persia but these days it is better to not come out of the closet in Teheran.

    Ok, off to the new episode … *looking forward to it*

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