February 21, 2008...9:18 am
Season 2 - Episode 18 - Security Alert
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Synopsis: J.J. and Rayyan look for a chaperone for their budding relationship.
Rayyan and J.J. have decided to start dating. Now, in accordance with Muslim tradition all they need is a chaperone. And: Amaar is finding it difficult to sleep at home following a break-in, so Yasir offers his couch
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Videos courtesy of mydien
What did you think of this episode? How does it compare to the previous episode?
Are there any other topics from the episode that you want to discuss?
161 Comments
February 21, 2008 at 9:44 am
Sarah mentioned that their maid used to be a man but now is a woman.
It is well known that within the last 40 years Western society has become more and more sexually perverse. And now there’s a movement to allow those with “gender identity” issues, to choose which locker room, restroom, etc. they can use.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56811
So, how difficult is it for Muslims (and morally strong Christians) to interact in a society that is getting more and more difficult to ignore the sickos? Folsom Street Fair might represent an extreme but what we have learned in the past that things that at one point seem extreme often become over time “mainstreamed”.
How will Muslims be able to use public restrooms if the “gender confused” might just pop in there?
February 21, 2008 at 10:58 am
Oh God Matt, you’ve dragged your baggage over here from the last episode comments. Please give it a rest - poor Nahida, she must be exhausted responding to you. My favourite motto - Never argue with an idiot - they drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. Please don’t bother responding.
Now, on to the show. I enjoyed it very much - I found Babar’s chaperone activities hilarious and also found his sulking when he was ‘replaced’ very endearing. Poor Amaar. I thought the discomfort between the characters being chaperoned to be very true to life - they are ‘mature’ and not teenagers so it was interesting to see how one might react, especially since both of them appear to have grown up ‘western’.
February 21, 2008 at 11:48 am
I LOVE how Baber was acting like he was being dumped. LOL.
And I think it’s cool that J. J. liked the color purple.
Amaar slept easier knowing Rayyan would always be his friend. I thought that was sweet. =)
February 21, 2008 at 11:51 am
How will Muslims be able to use public restrooms if the “gender confused” might just pop in there?
Matt, very easily: we do our business, they do theirs.
Now I’m going to follow Kay’s moto and Samina’s advice and never speak to you again.
Have a nice life.
February 21, 2008 at 12:02 pm
J. J.: “Nice place, good people, probably a nice place to raise kids. . . ”
Amaar: “Kids?”
ahahaha
February 21, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Well done Nahida I’m impressed.
I absolutely love Baber, I think he deserves his own show. I love the part where he says .”…..none of this sinful night dating……” and ” have you found someone else? someone younger? Like he had been dumped.
I feel so so bad for Amaar, first he gets the bad news about Rayyan and then gets burgled. It’s awkward to watch now, I felt a lump in my throat when she told him they would always be friends. When will they realise they will never be just friends. I don’t see the chemistry between Rayyan and J.J. the way it is with Rayyan and Amaar.
I also knew it would only be a matter of time before Amaar saw Rayyan without her hijaab. I can see them as a married couple, how cool would that be.
February 21, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Also, as much as I like Yasir I think his reasons for getting Rayyan and J.J. together are selfish especially since he knows that Rayyan and Amaar have a soft spot for each other. I don’t disagree that J.J. could also make a good husband but thats not the reason for Yasir’s decision.
February 21, 2008 at 4:59 pm
“Matt, very easily: we do our business, they do theirs.”
Well you won’t be able to use the public restrooms that’s for sure. Neither would any true Christian.
February 21, 2008 at 6:45 pm
While a part of me feels bad for Amaar, what’s stopping him from taking action. If you want a girl, go get her. Otherwise, no one is going take the guy’s advances seriously. There is nothing in the episodes that seem to indicate that he has anything holding him back.
February 21, 2008 at 8:24 pm
I think that the last episode of the season (just two episodes left!) will be so interesting - it’s crunch time for Rayyan and Amaar. I just know it’s going to be a cliffhanger for us romantics! I’m curious, does Amaar’s position as Imam make it far more awkward for him to approach dating Rayyan?
February 21, 2008 at 8:41 pm
JustMe, I agree with you completely. Especially since it’s TOTALLY OBVIOUS that Rayyan kind of feels the same way.
However, I’d still be nervous out of my wits. xD
February 21, 2008 at 8:43 pm
I stared at Yasir in disbelief when he told Amaar he needed to move on.
February 21, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Since it’s obvious Amaar has feelings for Rayyan. And it is obvious that Rayyan feels the same way, which is why I don’t understand this interest in J.J. :S
Can’t wait to see what happens next.
February 21, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Wouldn’t it be almost impossible for a Muslim man to be friends with a married Muslim woman?
It’s hard enough in our society for a man to be friends with some one else’s wife. Unfortunately even if they are “just friends”, there’s always the suspicion.
I would think it would be even worse for Muslims.
February 21, 2008 at 11:46 pm
If you want a girl, go get her.
That’s not the Muslim way. It’s much more difficult than to just “go get her.”
Especially since he is her Iman.
February 21, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Why doesn’t Sarah fire their maid?
Isn’t it haraam for Muslims to associate with such people?
February 22, 2008 at 12:07 am
Of course I have seen women’s hair before. Even women with long hair.
But when I see Rayyan’s hair it seems practically obscene. I remember in the New Year’s episode when Rayyan was still in school I guess not yet decided to wear hijaab it seem so indecent her running about with her long hair flowing.
I guess it shows that you can get used to most standards. As a Westerner I don’t feel this about anyone else, but when I see Rayyan she must have hijaab or else it seems like she is naked.
Strange isn’t it?
February 22, 2008 at 3:45 am
I’ll answer these questions since they aren’t completely irrelevent and obscene.
Wouldn’t it be almost impossible for a Muslim man to be friends with a married Muslim woman?
Alex, no, it isn’t impossible HOWEVER according to what I’ve been taught–someone correct me if I’m wrong–J.J. or her father or SOMEONE would always have to be with them. She can’t see Amaar without their prescence.
Isn’t it haraam for Muslims to associate with such people?
No, it’s haraam for them to BE such people. Not to associate with them. As far as I know, Islam does not accuse by association. You can’t NOT give a job even if they are qualified for it to someone who is homosexual on the sole reason that they are homosexual either. Or NOT give them an apartment just because they are even if they keep it clean and pay rent: that’s oppression and it’s against Islam. This is because sexuality is something that’s kept at HOME–whether you are hetero or homo. It’s who someone is in his or her personal life.
February 22, 2008 at 3:51 am
Alex I know this sounds nitpicky but I request that you stop capitalizing the word imam si’l vous plait. It’s a little crazy but it seems wrong to me, unless you want to use it as an actual title–’the Imam’ or ‘Imam Amaar.’ We don’t capitalize priest or rabbi unless it’s used like that or even ‘king’ or ‘queen.’
I’m sorry, I’m just saying. . .
February 22, 2008 at 7:19 am
“does Amaar’s position as Imam make it far more awkward for him to approach dating Rayyan?”
No, he can marry her if he wants. Imams aren’t like priests, they have the right to marry and have children.
February 22, 2008 at 9:33 am
“I’m okay! You won’t even know I’m here tonight!” =)
-grabs bag of noisy chips-
“What’re you doing here?!”
“I wanted a glass of water! What are you doing here?!”
“I was hungrrryyyyyy!”
“…Anything good in there. . . ?”
Classic.
I love how awkward it is the next morning. xD
“I think I’m just gonna hang around hair.”
-awkward silence-
“I mean hair.”
-awkward silence-
“I mean here. What’re you gonna do?”
Rayyan, to avoid using the word ‘here.’ “House! I’m just gonna. . . hang around the house.”
“I’m fine! It’s just that you think everything’s alright and then someone just comes in in the middle of the night and takes something very important to you–”
“What’d they take?”
“Huh?”
“The burglers. What’d they take?”
“They didn’t take anything.”
“Then what are you talking about?”
That was sweet. Rayyan and Amaar have the chemistry that Rayyan and J. J. don’t. =/
February 22, 2008 at 9:36 am
Sorry about iman.
The problem with saying sexuality is something that’s kept at HOME is that when one has a sex change operation as this maid did that isn’t something it can just keep at home.
Farah, the question I believe isn’t whether a iman can marry. The question is can an iman marry someone from his own mosque or is there some conflict there?
February 22, 2008 at 10:37 am
This is because sexuality is something that’s kept at HOME–whether you are hetero or homo. It’s who someone is in his or her personal life.
Kept at home? These perverts are in the streets flaunting their lifestyle. Even now there are laws in California and places in Maryland saying that if one is “gender confused” it can use either the men or woman’s bathrooms,locker room extra.
I would have little problem if they did keep it “at home” but when they get special rights or they go out in the streets parading their lifestyle, that is not keeping it at home. Government really can do little when they do keep it at home as the laws that would be necessary to do that would infringe upon freedom, but certainly they don’t have to have insane laws allowing them to use both bathrooms, etc.
And yeah, while you can say “Folsom Street Fair” yeah that’s San Francisco for you, and yeah right now it is only in San Francisco one of the most perverted places on this planet. But other major cities are starting their own versions.
Since 1997, a smaller event called Folsom Street East has been organized in New York City.
The Toronto version of Folsom Street Fair is dubbed Folsom North, FFN or FFNTO and has been held every July since 2003.
So the point is that this isn’t about their “personal life” anymore. They are spreading their perversion out into the public sphere. And if the past is any indication where it might now be limited to a few major cities, such things tend to grow and someday will come to perhaps even a town as small as Mercy.
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/01/miller-lite-approved-toddlers-at-the-folsom-street-fair/
February 22, 2008 at 10:38 am
This is because sexuality is something that’s kept at HOME–whether you are hetero or homo. It’s who someone is in his or her personal life.
Kept at home? These perverts are in the streets flaunting their lifestyle. Even now there are laws in California and places in Maryland saying that if one is “gender confused” it can use either the men or woman’s bathrooms,locker room extra.
I would have little problem if they did keep it “at home” but when they get special rights or they go out in the streets parading their lifestyle, that is not keeping it at home. Government really can do little when they do keep it at home as the laws that would be necessary to do that would infringe upon freedom, but certainly they don’t have to have insane laws allowing them to use both bathrooms, etc.
And yeah, while you can say “Folsom Street Fair” yeah that’s San Francisco for you, and yeah right now it is only in San Francisco one of the most perverted places on this planet. But other major cities are starting their own versions.
Since 1997, a smaller event called Folsom Street East has been organized in New York City.
The Toronto version of Folsom Street Fair is dubbed Folsom North, FFN or FFNTO and has been held every July since 2003.
So the point is that this isn’t about their “personal life” anymore. They are spreading their perversion out into the public sphere. And if the past is any indication where it might now be limited to a few major cities, such things tend to grow and someday will come to perhaps even a town as small as Mercy.
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/01/miller-lite-approved-toddlers-at-the-folsom-street-fair/
February 22, 2008 at 10:55 am
You can’t NOT give a job even if they are qualified for it to someone who is homosexual on the sole reason that they are homosexual either. Or NOT give them an apartment just because they are even if they keep it clean and pay rent: that’s oppression and it’s against Islam.
It’s not oppression although it is against current law in most Western countries. But certainly one should have the right to make moral decisions when it comes to the businesses one owns or the property one owns. After all we are talking about behavior here, not some fact of birth like being born a certain ethnicity.
The fact is that when one helps the Democratic Party one helps the forces who are denigrating Western Society. And for western Muslims that has an effect upon your children. Now I guess if you are planning to move out of Western society soon and back to a Islamic country that doesn’t matter, but even for the most insular muslim communities in the West the general denigration of society will have an effect. After all don’t Muslims send their children to government owned schools? Perhaps they can develop special schools for Muslims as I hear they are doing in New York. But still, you don’t understand the Left if you think they are just going to leave you alone about this subject. They will use the government schools to convert you into their way of thinking.
And what about your job. I guess you can own a shop in an insular Muslim community and then for the most part you can avoid the general denigration of society, but your choices will be limited.
So, while of course the Republican party isn’t much better which has been shown by them nominating a Leftist for their Presidential candidate, the Democrats are out of control. One of their leaders is actually a Representative of San Francisco. She says she has no problem with all that went on at the Folsom Street Fair. Again, she isn’t a minor figure in the Democratic Party. She is one of its leaders.
February 22, 2008 at 12:35 pm
“That was sweet. Rayyan and Amaar have the chemistry that Rayyan and J. J. don’t. =/”
Yes, I know. Which is why I don’t understand why Rayyan would be interested in J.J. I know they’re childhood friends and all, but still….
So I want to know what’s going on with Rayyan going with someone who she’s not interested in.
February 22, 2008 at 2:08 pm
I know! It really just seems like she’s going with J.J. because her father suggested it. =/
February 22, 2008 at 2:12 pm
The question is can an iman marry someone from his own mosque or is there some conflict there?
Of course he can. =)
February 22, 2008 at 2:19 pm
I think what Amaar is finding as a conflict right now is whether or not it’s okay to pull a woman away from a man she may have plans to marry. “Don’t marry HIM, marry ME!” may not seem all that ethical–it might make her feel pressured or whatever. And he’s not SURE she has feelings for him so… possible embarrassment right there.
It seems to me that he either just wants her to be happy or doesn’t want to start something so. . . dramatic. Mayeb he feels that he doesn’t stand a chance against J.J.?
February 22, 2008 at 2:38 pm
I loved this episode, and I hope Rayyan and Amaar get together eventually… but I think for Rayyan, she’s definitely interested in J.J., especially if she feels like Amaar isn’t ever going to come around. She and Amaar haven’t really had the courage to admit to themselves yet, though, that they have feelings for each other, and I’m totally anticipating that Amaar will vanquish his nerves and ask her out
Before it’s too late, of course. This whole J.J. thing might be just the kick in the pants Amaar needs!
Also — I’m wondering about how it would work for Rayyan and Amaar. The clergy of most Christian denominations, by the way, _are_ allowed to get married — it’s just Roman Catholic priests and some Orthodox who are not allowed. However, once they’re in a church, clergy are generally not supposed to date anyone from their own congregation because of potential problems with the difference in power and the possibility of abuse of power by the pastor. This policy admittedly makes things difficult for pastors in rural areas to ever find anyone (and might be part of the reason the Reverend on the show seems to be without a wife!). How is this issue of the power balanced addressed for single imams who wish to date?
February 22, 2008 at 3:26 pm
I think the reason Rayyan is considering J.J. over Amaar is that Amaar has never said anything. She just thinks there is no point hanging around for him and plus she thinks there must be something if her father has suggested him.
I also thought the part where Amaar says “I’m fine! It’s just that you think everything’s alright and then someone just comes in in the middle of the night and takes something very important to you–”
He is beginning to realise his feelings but is too much of a gentleman to put his feeling before someone elses happiness. Plus I kind of think he has a feeling it won’t last.
I didn’t miss one thing in this episode. Last season my favourite episode was when Rayyan date the fireman and Amaar gets jealous. There needs to be more jealousy and may be next episode.
It’s too sad to watch now.
February 22, 2008 at 4:49 pm
it was such a great episode, my favorite part was when he saw her without her hijaab! I also love it when Amaar has a little chat with the reverend.
only 2 episode left, its so sad. Are they gonna have a season 3?
February 22, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Life is unfair, I’m sick with the flu for a week and Matt is the one throwing up all over this board.
On to the show! I loved it, I really did but I’m just not warming up to JJ. He seems like a nice enough guy but… help me here there is something missing and I can’t put my finger on it.
Barbar killed me in this episode. Him building a model of a monster truck, who’d have thought.
OK, its time for an episode where Rayyan realizes she has feelings for Amaar already.
February 22, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Awww Lesia glad to see you’re better. =) Don’t worry about him; I wonder if he knows no one’s reading his articles any more…
I don’t think J.J.’s missing anything on his own, but when you put him next to Rayyan it seems like he’s missing (and this is going to sound a little harsh and it may be because his character hasn’t had time to “develop” for us yet) it seems like he’s missing a backbone. Rayyan is a bit on the satiristic side and it makes me wonder if J.J. can keep up with her.
I really like Rayyan’s outfit in the beginning of part two–the yellow hijab and the red blouse. That looked nice.
February 22, 2008 at 8:28 pm
I think what makes the romance between Rayyan and Amaar is the fact that even though — until very recently — they were inseparable, they couldn’t agree on anything. This is classic romantic drama and is used and abused by authors and playwrights for ages.
I will agree that it has been obvious that Amaar has been attracted to Rayyan since early in the first season, but Rayyan’s attraction to Amaar is ambiguous at best.
I don’t think Rayyan’s decision to date J.J. has anything to do with Amaar’s gingerly approach to courting her. I am more compelled to believe that Rayyan has yet to consider Amaar as more than “just a friend”. Furthermore, Rayyan’s decision to allow her parents to choose a potential husband for her comes as a surprise, knowing her feminist ideals.
It’s good to see the writers inserting a story arc that encompasses several episodes. The remaining episodes of this season will prove to be very entertaining, indeed.
February 22, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Thank you Nahida.
I’m starting to wonder if they will ever develop JJ. By leaving him 2 dimensional we won’t get attached to him and he can just slip into the background.
I really liked the pink they had her in, it went so well with her skin tone. I have yet to see them put her in anything I didn’t like though.
February 22, 2008 at 9:30 pm
I think the title of the episode and the “B” story of Yasir’s safe/Amaar getting robbed are a metaphor for what Amaar feels. J.J. ‘broke in’ and took something Aamer felt very comfortable with: his “friendship” with Rayyan. I really don’t think Amaar or Rayyan truly admitted it to themselves that they are interested in each other. Towards the end of the episode, Amaar was back to normal, having realized that he won’t loose Rayyan as a friend.
Flashback: Amaar and Rayyan had a traditional upbringing that created a foundation for their current devout worldview. They probably haven’t Muslim-dated before. Amaar was engaged but it was arranged by his mom and he didn’t seem gunghoe about it. Rayyan was too busy with her career and school to focus on getting married. They don’t seem to know how this stuff works. Nerves, fear of embarrassment, and fear of losing a great friendship are just some of the reasons stopping the two of them from admitting the feelings.
These two don’t even know what is in front of him. Like someone said earlier on this blog, J.J. is what Amaar needs to realize what he feels for Rayyan. I am excited to see when he finally does.
February 22, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Actually, Rayyan has seen other men before Amaar.
It’s in the next episode.
February 22, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Before J. J. I mean.
February 23, 2008 at 6:15 am
I think the are not letting us warm up to J.J. so much so that we don’t miss him when he’s gone. Also the writer don’t want us to start liking J.J. over Amaar. It’s a difficult one but the idea is to see J.J. as a good candidate but not better than Amaar.
What I also liked is that they managed to keep a good balance between the drama and comedy aspects of the show. They didn’t want to dive into full on drama and Baber is always a good character to use to bring out the comedy element.
I think I am really going to miss it when its gone. I hope they bring season 3 to us soon.
February 23, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I don’t even want to think about it being gone!
I’m just going to sit here and pretend that the Canadian writers went on strike and this show will be right back once its settled.
February 23, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Does anyone know if it is appropriate for an iman to court someone of his own Mosque?
I used the old fashioned word “court” instead of date as a reminder that only 100 years ago or perhaps a little more now Western Society handled man and woman relationships in a way similar to how Muslims do now. That is there was a chaperone, etc.
Here is an explanation of how it used to be.
http://www.phantomroses.com/RPGs/GWTW/etiquette.htm
Now we don’t court (most of us in Western Society don’t) . Instead we date. I think something very profound has been lost by dating instead of courting.
February 23, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Here’s another web page that tells how things were back then.
http://www.victoriaspast.com/Courtshipdance/courtshipdance.html
Was that really so bad compared to the “Folsom Street Fair” environment that sexuality is on display with in society today?
February 23, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Even in the 1950s here is what society promoted regarding dating.
http://www.archive.org/details/DatingDo1949
http://www.archive.org/details/JuniorPr1946
I am not saying that things were perfect back then. Racism was really bad back then.
But things were much better back then when you look at everything in total.
February 23, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Even in the 1950s here is what society promoted regarding dating.
http://www.archive.org/details/DatingDo1949
I am not saying that things were perfect back then. Racism was really bad back then.
But things were much better back then when you look at everything in total.
February 23, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Even in the 1950s here is what society promoted regarding dating.
http://www.archive.org/details/JuniorPr1946
I am not saying that things were perfect back then. Racism was really bad back then.
But things were much better back then when you look at everything in total.
February 23, 2008 at 3:23 pm
http://www.stevevaus.com/lyrics/blackandwhite_vm.html
Black and White
You could hardly see for all the snow,
Spread the rabbit ears as far as they go
Pull a chair up to the TV set,
“Good night David, Good night Chet”
Dependin’ on the channel you tuned
You got Rob and Laura or Ward and June
It felt so good, felt so right
Life looked better in black and white
I Love Lucy, The Real McCoys
Dennis the Menace, the Cleaver boys
Rawhide, Gunsmoke, Wagon Train
Superman, Lois Lane
Father Knows Best, Patty Duke
Rin Tin Tin and Lassie too
Donna Reed on Thursday night
Life looked better in black and white
CHORUS: I wanna go back to black and white
Everything always turned out right
Simple people, simple lives
Good guys always won the fights
Now nothin’s the way it seems
In living color or on the screen
I wanna go back to black and white
In God they trusted, in bed they slept
A promise made was a promise kept
They never cussed or broke their vows
They’d never make the network now
But if I could I’d rather be, in a TV town in 63
It felt so good, felt so right
Life looked better in black and white
CHORUS
I’d trade all the channels on the satellite, If I could just turn back the clock tonight
To when everybody knew wrong from right, life was better in black and white
—
In many ways perhaps that is the appeal of this show. Muslims represented what we used to have. I doubt if Amaar and Rayyan let their passions get away from them and had sex the show would survive. It would be unthinkable for them to do so, and that would be something the writers would never even consider doing.
That is what we miss. We do miss the days when they couldn’t even use the words “pregnant” to describe Lucy’s condition before she had Little Ricky. We like the innocence of that time. And that is why we like this show so much.
(See I don’t hate Muslims. I have some concerns yes, but I can also see the positive that they can bring back into our society).
February 23, 2008 at 3:26 pm
I doubt that if Amaar and Rayyan let their passions get away from them and had sex the show would survive.
And of course that would never even come close to happening. That is what makes the show so special. Yeah, it is in color, but what is so nice about the show is it is also in “Black and White”.
February 23, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Black and white? But it’s the grey that makes things interesting.
I do agree, though — I think the show would be ruined if Amaar and Rayyan lost themselves before they got married. It would be totally out of character for both of them, and they’re both doing their best to “be good”.
Also… remember that Rayyan was already attracted to J.J. (or thought he was interesting or whatever). She never would have agreed to let her father set them up if she didn’t — and that way, her dad gets to feel like a good Muslim father
And she still gets to keep her feminist identity, which is important for her authenticity.
Also, I think it’s interesting… if you’ve ever read any Jane Austen or Leo Tolstoy, you know that the marriages people got themselves into in the Victorian era were often based on false pretenses, because people put on too much of a show rather than allowing their future partners to truly see the people they were. A good match was based on finances and social status rather than the things that really make people work as good partners. Don’t look too much to the past, Alex… I for one am really glad my parents aren’t trying to set me up with anyone! I think I’d end up with a charmer rather than someone genuine. Rayyan and J.J. at least are getting to know one another rather than rushing things, just as Rayyan said. Even if they don’t end up together, they will know each other better after their experience.
February 23, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Here is a good article about the whole 1950s vs modern discussion.
http://www.vivamalta.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-4617.html
I hate the source of this article but I have read and studied Adorno as well and it is 99.5 percent correct on its analysis of the movie. I would disagree as to any racial element and I wouldn’t “blame the jews” although it is true that there were a bunch of academic Jewish sociologists who did have enormous influence over the culture wars. But blaming a group of Jewish thinkers is hardly “blaming the jews” . I am blaming the Frankfurt School, not the Jewish people as a race.
February 23, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Does anyone know if it is appropriate for an iman to court someone of his own Mosque?
Alex, as far as I know it’s fine. Mosques don’t have “members.” I mean, there are mosques where the same people go every time, but it isn’t a commitment. A person can go to three different mosques if he or she wants. There’s no reason for it to be inappropriate because–now I’m addressing Elizabeth’s concern–we don’t really have “clergies.” We have a board of people elected to take care of the mosque’s financial issues and such, but as far as I know there’s really no possible way for there to be abuse of power.
February 23, 2008 at 4:15 pm
You know what I miss?
Love letters. On paper. By hand.
Does anyone write them anymore?
February 23, 2008 at 4:39 pm
But things were so much better back then.
The biggest criticism of the 1950s is the racism. And yeah, that needed to change.
But you can let Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, etc into Mayberry without forcing Mayberry to have a “Folsom Street Parade”. It might have been true that racial tolerance and tolerance of deviant sexual behavior in the public square happened about the same time in Western society, but the two aren’t necessarily connected.
And I guess another criticism was regarding the role of women. Well, sure that need to evolve as well. But surely not where we are at today. For example should a woman be allowed to be a policeman or fireman? I guess if the standards aren’t lowered to keep them out but the truth of just the way things are is that men are on average stronger than women. There are many men who shouldn’t be policemen or firemen either. And also there is the whole esprit de corp to worry about.
It took a generation a whole lifetime to begin to understand what should be obvious. Men and women are different. I am not saying one is superior to the other, but they are different. Not only in how they are built but in general (and that’s an important qualification “in general”
men and women think differently. It took a book called “Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus” to get many to understand something that should have been evident from simple observation.
I wouldn’t want to completely return to the 1950s but I think it would be much better if we start to move back that way.
February 23, 2008 at 4:44 pm
http://rainbowsendpress.com/midi/Amerpie.mid
A long, long time ago…
I can still remember
How that music used to make me smile.
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make those people dance
And, maybe, they’d be happy for a while.
But february made me shiver
With every paper I’d deliver.
Bad news on the doorstep;
I couldn’t take one more step.
I can’t remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride,
But something touched me deep inside
The day the music died.
So bye-bye, miss american pie.
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
And them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.
“this’ll be the day that I die.”
Did you write the book of love,
And do you have faith in God above,
If the Bible tells you so?
Do you believe in rock ’n roll,
Can music save your mortal soul,
And can you teach me how to dance real slow?
Well, I know that you’re in love with him
`cause I saw you dancin’ in the gym.
You both kicked off your shoes.
Man, I dig those rhythm and blues.
I was a lonely teenage broncin’ buck
With a pink carnation and a pickup truck,
But I knew I was out of luck
The day the music died.
I started singin’,
“bye-bye, miss american pie.”
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.
“this’ll be the day that I die.”
Now for ten years we’ve been on our own
And moss grows fat on a rollin’ stone,
But that’s not how it used to be.
When the jester sang for the king and queen,
In a coat he borrowed from james dean
And a voice that came from you and me,
Oh, and while the king was looking down,
The jester stole his thorny crown.
The courtroom was adjourned;
No verdict was returned.
And while lennon read a book of marx,
The quartet practiced in the park,
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the music died.
We were singing,
“bye-bye, miss american pie.”
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.
“this’ll be the day that I die.”
Helter skelter in a summer swelter.
The birds flew off with a fallout shelter,
Eight miles high and falling fast.
It landed foul on the grass.
The players tried for a forward pass,
With the jester on the sidelines in a cast.
Now the half-time air was sweet perfume
While the sergeants played a marching tune.
We all got up to dance,
Oh, but we never got the chance!
`cause the players tried to take the field;
The marching band refused to yield.
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the music died?
We started singing,
“bye-bye, miss american pie.”
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.
“this’ll be the day that I die.”
Oh, and there we were all in one place,
A generation lost in space
With no time left to start again.
So come on: jack be nimble, jack be quick!
Jack flash sat on a candlestick
Cause fire is the devil’s only friend.
Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage.
No angel born in hell
Could break that satan’s spell.
And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite,
I saw satan laughing with delight
The day the music died
He was singing,
“bye-bye, miss american pie.”
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.
“this’ll be the day that I die.”
I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news,
But she just smiled and turned away.
I went down to the sacred store
Where I’d heard the music years before,
But the man there said the music wouldn’t play.
And in the streets: the children screamed,
The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed.
But not a word was spoken;
The church bells all were broken.
And the three men I admire most:
The father, son, and the holy ghost,
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died.
And they were singing,
“bye-bye, miss american pie.”
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
And them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.
“this’ll be the day that I die.”
They were singing,
“bye-bye, miss american pie.”
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.”
February 23, 2008 at 4:47 pm
There are many women who can handle being a firefighter or working with the police.
I think the only thing I have a problem with is a woman being in the army–so I’m glad that still hasn’t happened. It’s shameful to kill a woman, and if she’s a soldier…well you don’t have much of a choice. You can either let her kill you or kill her and…live with the guilt. It puts men in an awkward position.
February 23, 2008 at 4:49 pm
I personally like some of Elvis’s music but they were right about him.
After all you just have to look around to see that things turned out the way they said it would.
THOSE HIPS, destroyed Western Society.
February 23, 2008 at 4:57 pm
I look at it this way, societies should protect women and children. By putting women out there on the front line it weakens that ideal in society perhaps leading to more domestic abuse of women in the society. Also it gives the enemy a morale uplift when he can rape the enemy’s women. After all isn’t that the ultimate desecration an enemy can do to a society.
And besides, isn’t it best to hold women back as reserve. Because the truth is that women can be much more ruthless than men especially when protecting home and children.
February 23, 2008 at 5:26 pm
… if you’ve ever read any Jane Austen or Leo Tolstoy, you know that the marriages people got themselves into in the Victorian era were often based on false pretenses
Jane Austen gave me unrealistic expectations of men. =/
February 23, 2008 at 5:26 pm
I love her books though. =D
February 23, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Excluding Nahida were any of you around in the 50’s/ early 60’s? I doubt it or you wouldn’t be waxing the poetic nostalgia here.
If it wasn’t for the McCarthy era we wouldn’t have under God, added in 1954, to the pledge or in God we trust, added in 1957, to our money. The “enemy” was every where so we built bomb shelters and “duck & cover” would save us in the event of an atomic attack. China and Russia was about to over run our borders but lets pretend REAL news wasn’t happening.
Street gangs get their start and they were WHITES. Unwed mothers were every where but lets not talk about that. (I’d like to thank the unwed mother who gave my family my cousin in 195
Drugs and swingers parties are happening in a new place called the suburbs but we are going to pretend that doesn’t happen. Children are being raped and murdered at a rate that would scare the crap out of people now and very often by their own family members but we don’t want to scare anyone living in the 50’s. There are NO LAWS in the 50’s to protect women from spousal abuse which happened on a regular basis often resulting in a death. Rape victims have their names published in the media and are often drug through the dirt to prove they “deserved it” and IF a man is found guilty they are given a light sentence unless of course they killed their victim. And my favorite, as long as you are white you have a free ticket to hate, torture and even murder anyone who is different.
Don’t be so quick to jump back to a period in time without knowing the REAL history, Black & White wasn’t as sugar coated as many want to pretend.
Remember, most of the serial killers we’ve come to know were products of a 50’s home life.
February 23, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Does anyone know the name of the song they play at the end of each show? (During the credits)
February 23, 2008 at 9:05 pm
How often are new episodes put on this website? Is there going to be a season 3?
February 23, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Lesia you sure have a distorted view of the 1950s. It’s an exaggerated view promoted by those who wanted to change things to the way they are now. It’s their propaganda that you are reciting.
Except for racism, things were much, much better than they are now. Although also you mentioned the threat of the Russians and the Chinese. Well, back then you might have had to worry about them but you didn’t have to think every day you walked into the building you worked that perhaps you might never walk out of that building again because someone might put a plane into it.
And, what is so wrong with “Under God” in the pledge or “In God We Trust” in our money?
February 23, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Ted Bundy was born to an unwed mother whose family pretended that he was actually his grandparents child. The birth certificate said that it was some WWII war vet who was the father but some within the family even thought that it might have been his mother’s father who was quite abusive.
That was hardly a “Leave it to Beaver” family life.
Again, though I don’t think I am talking about totally going back to the 1950s but moving back in that direction. Are some things better now than they were then? Yeah. But taken as a whole things are much much worse than they were back then.
As the saying goes “we threw out the baby with the bath water”.
In God they trusted, in bed they slept
A promise made was a promise kept
They never cussed or broke their vows
They’d never make the network now
But if I could I’d rather be, in a TV town in 63
It felt so good, felt so right
Life looked better in black and white
—-
And thank Allah, that at least in this show we know that Rayyan and Amaar won’t be jumping into bed anytime soon, like Rachel and Ross on “Friends”.
February 23, 2008 at 11:47 pm
the “enemy” was everywhere
Lesia, the enemy is still everywhere. So what makes that so different from the 1950s.
Did I say that the 1950s were perfect? No. But things were, when taken as a whole more perfect than now.
You can look even further back now to the late 19th century (the Anne of Green Gables time for you Canadians). Back between say 1890s-1900 or so. You had your small towns. Each small town had its park in the center with its gazebo. In the gazebo you would have a group of men who had musical talent get together and play in a band.
It was during this time when courting became an art form with all its special little rules.
They had special rooms in the houses at the time called parlours. That’s where guests were met and entertained. They would offer the guest some lemonade or something like that.
Flowers and their arrangements would mean special things for those who knew the code.
http://www.aboutflowers.com/floral_b5.html
What we are seeing here is a true courtship. Something that has all but died out in the West. Now we all know that in the end it is doomed to fail but not because the idea of courtships are so bad but just because Rayyan’s heart is with Amaar. But I believe that we in the west have lost a lot with the death of courting. And that is why what we are seeing here with J.J. and Rayyan is so refreshing.
February 24, 2008 at 3:37 am
Alex I AM a product of the 50’s. Its not a distorted view its the history I remember. And this is nonsense (It’s an exaggerated view promoted by those who wanted to change things to the way they are now. It’s their propaganda that you are reciting.) The future is never a “plan” life just ends up in very weird places.
Yes you DID have to think about it every day. You had to know where all the buildings were with shelter symbols on them if you weren’t lucky enough to work in one. And worse yet you knew you were sending your children to schools that didn’t have shelters. You drilled all the time, spent once a month going through the supplies in your home shelter and we had gas masks as well. The entire world held its breath over the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Bay of Pigs and JFK Assassination. It was a world ruled by FEAR just like today. The late 60’s BROKE fear and we need that again NOW. The enemy is NOT everywhere, its where we make them.
Whats wrong with “in God we trust” and “under God” they were never supposed to be there. They were placed there under the FEAR that drove the 50’s. The Founders very carefully crafted the words they chose and they used the word Creator so it would encompass ALL and not be exclusionary as many then and now perceive the word God to be.
Ted Bundy is still a product of the 50’s born to an unwed mother which wasn’t supposed to have happened back then. A very common story from WWII vets is they would return home to find a new baby in the house that was supposedly left on the door step.
You can skip the lesson from the Victorian era as well. My Grandmother had a parlor until she died as did my Great Aunt & my Great Great Aunt. I even knew my Great Grand Father. Both he and my and my Great,Great Aunt were born near the end of the Civil War, we live long in my family.
You can keep your lesson in flowers as well because it is incomplete. It was not only the flowers that had meaning but the herbs and greenery arranged with them that told the whole story. The arranging of flowers was my families business for almost 100 years.
What you are reading isn’t how it was for every one but for the elite. There are a few old timers left, talk to them. Things were not better then it was just as messed up as it is today and in many ways much worse.
Courting is only dead if women don’t demand it and it makes no difference East or West.
February 24, 2008 at 8:21 am
Does anyone know the name of the song they play at the end of each show? (During the credits)
How often are new episodes put on this website? Is there going to be a season 3?
February 24, 2008 at 8:45 am
I don’t think it was even for the elite. Wasn’t Patty Duke sexually abused? No one did anything. She was given alcohol by the Rosses–who pretty much kept her captive–when she was 13. They took serious efforts when she was a teenager to portray her as “normal” and conceal her drug abuse and suicidal thoughts.
February 24, 2008 at 10:33 am
I’m dying to know if there is going to be a season 3 and how long will it take?
I’m from the UK and we don’t have lmotp over there and so this is the only way I can watch these episodes.
I was wondering what happened to season 1 that was posted here. I was introducing lmotp to some of my friends but they wouldn’t work.
Thanks
February 24, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Sam, The episode are put up on Thursdays.
It’s called Tala’al Badru Alaina it has been recited by a number of different artists however I don’t actually know who is reciting it this time round.
J, I’m from the UK too. The first episode were uploaded here from youtube however the user was blocked therefore the episodes can no longer been view. There are some episodes on youtube if have a search.
February 24, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Here’s a translation of the lyrics:
O the White Moon rose over us
O the White Moon rose over us
From the Valley of Wada’
From the Valley of Wada ‘
And we owe it to show gratefulness
And we owe it to show gratefulness
Where the call is to Allah
Where the call is to Allah
O you who were raised amongst us
O you who were raised amongst us
coming with a work to be obeyed
Coming with a work to be obeyed
You have brought to this city nobleness
You have brought to this city nobleness
Welcome! best call to God’s way
Best call to God’s way
It’s a lot prettier in Arabic. There’re ideas lost in translation.
February 24, 2008 at 1:16 pm
It does sound nicer in Arabic.
February 24, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Thanks Samina!
February 24, 2008 at 2:39 pm
The version in the woman’s voice at the end is very nice, I tried finding it but couldn’t.
February 24, 2008 at 9:49 pm
I wish Canadian society (and the West in General) could go back to “Anne of Green Gables” time.
February 24, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Has anyone seen Sheikh Mishari al-Efasy’s version of Tala’a Al-Badru Alayna .
Not so peaceful as the Little Mosque on the Prairie version is it.
Go to youtube. It’s there.
watch?v=QMu0QwdUovI
February 24, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Has anyone seen Mashari Rashid Al Afasi ’s version of Tala’al Badru Alain?
Quite violent indeed.
February 24, 2008 at 10:16 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1nKG6UqbSU
February 24, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Here is another video with his version on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMu0QwdUovI
You can understand how we could get the impression that Islam is warlike.
February 24, 2008 at 10:28 pm
For the “Little Mosque on the Prairie” version they credit Jack Lenz, a a Canadian Bahá’í composer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Lenz
Of course that still doesn’t tell us the voice of the female that sings it.
February 24, 2008 at 10:44 pm
http://www.last.fm/music/Jack+Lenz/+wiki
Jack Lenz is a Canadian Bahá’í composer. He has written, performed, and produced music for film, television, and theatre, along with working on non-soundtrack album ventures. He is also the founder of Live Unity Enterprises, an organization devoted to the production of music for the Bahá’í community, and dramatic and musical resources to help promote its teachings. For example, Lenz wrote the music for the Expectation opening music for the second Bahá’í World Congress in 1992 with an audience of tens of thousands of Bahá’ís from around the world.
Jack Lenz was born in Eston, Saskatchewan. His mother was also raised in Saskatchewan, and his father came to Canada from Hungary during the Depression. Still in his youth Lenz took piano lessons from Garth Beckett and later studied composition at the University of Saskatchewan.Lenz became a professional musician when he played keyboards and flute for the soft-rock bands Seals and Crofts and Loggins and Messina touring around the world, performing before large audiences, and recording.Lenz’ involvement in children’s issues stems partly from having seven children of his own, as well as being an arena which avoids “the conflict between what I believe about music and its sacred nature and dealing with what a lot of programing deals with, which sometimes could be the worst aspects of human nature.” Lenz joined the Bahá’í Faith in 1969.
Lenz has done music production work for over 100 programs for various categories of mass media including television series and information/news programming, feature films, movies of the week, documentaries, live to broadcast, and children’s television productions for networks like the CBC, NBC, Nickelodeon, PAX TV, Discovery Channel, Scholastic-HBO, Showtime, and Nelvana / CBS as well as theatrical works.
* Little Mosque on the Prairie (2007)
* “Sue Thomas: F.B.Eye” (12 episodes, 2003-2005)
* The Passion of the Christ (2004)
* Goosebumps (TV series)
* RoboCop: The Series
* 13 years of the Hospital for Sick Children’s Telethon
* 7 years of YTV’s Youth Achievement Awards[14]
* musical direction of A tribute to renowned author, Mordecai Richler
* more than twenty separate television productions back to 1983.
February 24, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Did you know the company that produces the show, WestWind Pictures, is owned by members of the Bahá’í Community, not Muslims?
http://www.ca.bahai.org/main.cfm?sid=258
February 24, 2008 at 11:34 pm
The answer to this question couldn’t be Holly Stell could it be?
The only reason I think it could have been her is that she is so connected with Jack Lenz.
Well, whoever the singer is she sure has a good voice. So, I guess I can only provide you with a half of an answer. Jack Lenz made the music, but who sung it is still a mystery.
But I do find it interesting the Music that Jack Lenz set Tala’al Badru Alaina compared to what an actual Muslim set it to.
By the way, here is the version by Yusuf Islam
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1897010327804155638
February 24, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Yusuf Islam, that was the guy who killed Cat Stevens wasn’t it.
It was all because his daddy didn’t spend enough time with him as a child.
February 25, 2008 at 12:02 am
Whoever was talking about the “violent” videos, often on youtube ppl use music without the singer’s permission and make their own video for it. Then it’s associated with that singer, but he/she may have had nothing to do with it. That’s caused a lot of problems for some singers.
I’m not sure who sings at the end of lmotp. I’m guessing she’s Egyptian, because she says “wagaba shukru alayna…” instead of “wajaba shukru alayna,” which is the standard Arabic. She has a nice voice. Or maybe she’s not even Arab for all we know and the phonetic lyrics were just given to her, and they were transliterated by an Egyptian.
These episodes are getting really interesting! I think I’ve heard that in Islam it’s unethical (and maybe even forbidden) for a man to interfere when another man is already courting a woman he wants to marry (unless the guy’s a bad person and then he has to warn her). The idea is that one’s own desires shouldn’t cause one to start a fight, because that would cause a division in the community. So basically Ammar can’t do anything unless JJ changes his mind or Rayyan says no.
What stopped Ammar before? I’m guessing it has something to do with him living in a church attic and being broke. That and probably being scared, but I’m guessing the former had a lot to do with it. Maybe he should do a bit of Law on the side, being an imam in a town as small as Mercy can’t take up that much of his time!
Moderator: can we have more than one comments thread per episode? At least one where we ONLY DISCUSS TOPICS RELATED TO THAT EPISODE and maybe another that’s more open? I just come on here to talk about the episode and end up skimming over the other stuff.
I think Rayyan does like Ammar, but when JJ came along, she was mad at him (no one wants to be told what’s wrong with them, and no one would want to marry someone who would be doing it all the time, that would be torture!), which made JJ look pretty good to her. But I think she’ll eventually find JJ pretty boring.
Babur was excellent!
February 25, 2008 at 12:10 am
Matt: ppl don’t have to change their names when they convert (I didn’t), but many ppl choose to. Check out some of his new music. It’s very much like the old Cat Stevens material: http://www.yusufislam.com/ His son, Yoriyos, is also a singer: http://www.yoriyos.com/ Yoriyos is very influenced by Native American culture; I’m not sure why.
February 25, 2008 at 12:29 am
I think the violent video is done by a terrorist supporter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOYVz6yKXOY&feature=related
February 25, 2008 at 12:31 am
Here is a more positive one.
http://www.muslimtv.magnify.net/item/K6NJ45C6HFWHWJ68
February 25, 2008 at 12:32 am
I was going to comment on the episode–which was hilarious and endearing–but then I saw this:
By putting women out there on the front line it weakens that ideal in society perhaps leading to more domestic abuse of women in the society.
You must be joking. Really. I’ll be damned if you’re suggesting that women were never abused until we decided it was okay to put them in the line of fire (just like male fellow citizens).
Let me say this–the “ideal” you’re talking about? It never exists. Every once in awhile, people think up a new dream to wish over, but there’s always pathetic or disturbed freaks who mess it up because they don’t even understand the ideal.
Try explaining your theory about domestic abuse to the abuser himself…he’ll just tell you he doesn’t care what his victim’s occupation is (or what other women’s occupations are), he’ll lash out whenever he perceives that the victim has done him wrong.
Here comes the activist feminist Adara ranting about what needs to change:
I think we need to first bring families in abusive situations into the light and to justice, if possible. (Obviously.)
…and then we need to teach girls, from an early age, what to do if someone hits them or otherwise tries to manipulate them…beat the hell out of the abuser and/or run them through every punitive measure they deserve. Let’s use school as an opportunity to hammer this point into children’s brains–there is [well, as of now, *ought* to be] zero tolerance for offensive violence.
Hand in hand with these measures, we should come up with a way to stop girls from growing up thinking of themselves as objects. (Obviously a much more difficult project…
And…I’m not being mean, but you certainly don’t know much about the 1950s. My parents grew up then. My mother was scared every day that Russians were going to attack her town.
You also can’t forget about how in those wonderful ’50s, cheating husbands locked their perfectly sane wives in horrific mental institutions so that they wouldn’t have to “deal with” them. A moral Shangri-La, those 1950s.
February 25, 2008 at 12:39 am
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/tala-al-badru-alayna-yusuf-islam-cat-stevens-nasheed-song/1107810637
That one looked good too except why did Yusuf Islam kill Cat Stevens? Did he think that “the man in the moon” was some insult against Islam. It was simply a nursery rhyme. Is this Yusuf guy now in the Muslim World because he would be arrested if he came into the West for the murder of Cat Stevens?
February 25, 2008 at 12:45 am
“My mother was scared every day that Russians were going to attack her town.”
And that differs from being scared every day that your town is going to be nuked by some suitcase bomb in what way?
February 25, 2008 at 12:55 am
Adara one of the worst things an enemy can do to a society is rape their women. That’s why the Russians raped the German women when they invaded Germany. That is why there was all that rape going on in the Balkans.
So, what do we do? We have it so they don’t even have to invade our homeland before they get a chance to rape our women. Can you imagine what that must do for the enemy’s morale?
February 25, 2008 at 6:46 am
Alex, you seem more concerned about the reputation of the society than the raped women.
February 25, 2008 at 6:49 am
And it’s like you’re trying to glaze it over with a protective tone to make it seem as through you’re really just concerned about women’s rights.
No man should be speaking for a woman–especially when he doesn’t even know what they want.
February 25, 2008 at 6:49 am
You will not find a single woman police officer or firefighter complaining about her job.
Let her do what she wants.
February 25, 2008 at 6:51 am
You remind me of those men who look at our women funny when they wear hi’jabs. They don’t want Muslim women to be “forced” to wear it, but they want to force them to take it off.
February 25, 2008 at 9:10 am
You will not find a single woman police officer or firefighter complaining about her job.
How about people complaining about how she is doing her job? Of course it wouldn’t be Politically Correct to do so.
Lots of times a bad guy has escaped because the policewoman wasn’t strong enough to over power him.
Alex, you seem more concerned about the reputation of the society than the raped women.
I was talking about the psychological advantage it would give the enemy in war.
Also I believe that in the society that allows women soldiers it would lessen the concept of a society protecting women which would lead to more violence to women. Can we agree on that Adara? More violence not saying that there isn’t violence to women already.
February 25, 2008 at 9:15 am
oh, here are more versions of that song.
http://tinyurl.com/yt8df5
February 25, 2008 at 9:16 am
You remind me of those men who look at our women funny when they wear hi’jabs.
It’s not the hi’jabs but the burkas that really freak us out.
February 25, 2008 at 9:27 am
Also regarding the whole Woman Warrior thing women upset the male bonding thing that needs to take place to have a strong force. And when I say male bonding, no I don’t mean in some homosexual way. I mean in the way that turns a group of strangers in to a band of brothers.
February 25, 2008 at 10:59 am
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57141
Study: 3 in 4 U.S. mosques preach anti-West extremism
Secret survey exposes widespread radicalism
An undercover survey of more than 100 mosques and Islamic schools in America has exposed widespread radicalism, including the alarming finding that 3 in 4 Islamic centers are hotbeds of anti-Western extremism, WND has learned.
The Mapping Sharia in America Project, sponsored by the Washington-based Center for Security Policy, has trained former counterintelligence and counterterrorism agents from the FBI, CIA and U.S. military, who are skilled in Arabic and Urdu, to conduct undercover reconnaissance at some 2,300 mosques and Islamic centers and schools across the country.
“So far of 100 mapped, 75 should be on a watchlist,” an official familiar with the project said.
Many of the Islamic centers are operating under the auspices of the Saudi Arabian government and U.S. front groups for the radical Muslim Brotherhood based in Egypt.
Frank Gaffney, a former Pentagon official who runs the Center for Security Policy, says the results of the survey have not yet been published. But he confirmed that “the vast majority” are inciting insurrection and jihad through sermons by Saudi-trained imams and anti-Western literature, videos and textbooks.
The project, headed by David Yerushalmi, a lawyer and expert on sharia law, has finished collecting data from the first cohort of 102 mosques and schools. Preliminary findings indicate that almost 80 percent of the group exhibit a high level of sharia-compliance and jihadi threat, including:
* Ultra-orthodox worship in which women are separated from men in the prayer hall and must enter the mosque from a separate, usually back, entrance; and are required to wear hijabs.
* Sermons that preach women are inferior to men and can be beaten for disobedience; that non-Muslims, particularly Jews, are infidels and inferior to Muslims; that jihad or support of jihad is not only a Muslim’s duty but the noblest way, and suicide bombers and other so-called “martyrs” are worthy of the highest praise; and that an Islamic caliphate should one day encompass the U.S.
* Solicitation of financial support for jihad.
* Bookstores that sell books, CDs and DVDs promoting jihad and glorifying martyrdom.
Though not all mosques in America are radicalized, many have tended